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I just love that I'm sorry every time I

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just feel like it's like I'm in a

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rocking chair you know at a nursing home

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or something in the mountains it just

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feels yep Mike Hanks is sitting over

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there he's just you know he's just going

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at it man talking away you guys Sun is

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setting I love it hey welcome back to an

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afternoon Edition a UK edition of

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calling all beings fireside chat a name

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that Deb came up with no she's not aware

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of FDR he did not exist uh my name is

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along with the co-creator of this joint

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Nathan how are you my friend I'm great

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man happy Saturday I'm so excited for

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this show two people that I have been

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dying to talk with uh again and again I

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mean they're just awesome people great

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to have mine

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Debs what is up my research homie thanks

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for calling me a couple times this

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weekend and brightening my damn day yes

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well frankly I'm very excited for this

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show also

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I want some people to be frank that's

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what's going on to be frank be it with a

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k or a c it just you're you're British

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you're both badasses I love it so let's

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start off with the UFO thinker the

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former professional drummer and music

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teacher turned UFO analysts part of

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people put those hands together for the

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John Bonham of Bolton baby Frank Jones

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I love it

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John bottom of Bolton absolutely love it

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okay man amen amen

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all right another one of these brothers

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is a man I've got to have some extension

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uh extensive conversations with not only

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do we share a military background where

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this guy was a British royal paratrooper

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badass but then he decided to clean

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himself up a little bit he dusted off

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his camos and got into the Intel world

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where he was still uh breaking necks and

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cashing checks so uh part and and he's

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still in the game as a consultant so

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party people put those hands together

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f-r-a-n-c Milburn

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yes yes breaking next and cashing checks

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baby always

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how do you like me now yeah

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all right so uh welcome to the fireside

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chat this is a format uh this was uh

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Deb's idea and basically the format

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you're going to see today is I you know

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we may ask some some questions for

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example you know what way to drumsticks

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does Frank use and you know what is is

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uh the other Frank's favorite uh

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technique for for uh killing an enemy

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soldier

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um so those questions could be asked but

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other than that it's kind of a a a a

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round table format where anybody can

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bring up a topic that they so choose and

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will in fact do so

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um so you know some of the things I had

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lined up for ask Nathan maybe maybe

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we'll come out on this one

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gonna be a fun chat

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all right so uh so anyway

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um Nathan take it away man yeah okay so

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I'm gonna start with one that uh you

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know to me I'm dying to know your

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thoughts on this so let's go around what

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is the thing you're tired of hearing

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about in the UFO conversation

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other than me

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you know you just feel like we've beat

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that horse to death and it's uh it's

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time to time to move on

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Whoa We Lost Franklin we lost we lost

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bald Frank he'll be back he'll be back

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he was having a little connection issue

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he'll be back yeah

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will you I want to ask Frank beard to

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start us off though Frank you've been

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covering this extensively uh and I do a

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lot of deep Dives you know what's

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something that you're just like ah here

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we go again I gotta I don't really want

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to listen to this anymore

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well I think probably you know I'm not

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sure if this is specifically to do with

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UFOs it's probably in other aspects of

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life in general but just unnecessary

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drama I think is probably the thing that

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I'm sick of hearing about you know ever

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since kind of getting involved in this

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topic there's just waves of nonsense

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drama and could do without it you know

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essentially it's just one of those

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things where I mean there's a

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distinction there as well but it's not

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like

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disagreements that's an issue because

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that's absolutely fine but you know when

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there's kind of any any kind of like uh

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your personal attacks and things like

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that it's just totally unnecessary and

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that is definitely an aspect of the

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topic where you know I think we could uh

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we could get rid of that and I would be

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quite happy you know I love that let me

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ask a second part to this question

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what would you like to hear more of so

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we'll hear we'll hear what you're tired

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of and then what you'd like to hear more

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of

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data dense cases you know like we need

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what we need is the new the new Nimitz

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you know because obviously we've heard

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about the Nimitz till the cows come home

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I've talked about it in about 7 500

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different shows that I've done over the

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course of the last couple of years and

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I've always got a lot of love for that

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particular that particular case you know

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all of the various different

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corroborated Witnesses and you know it's

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even got video it's got all of those uh

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you know the radar operators the pilots

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and everything those are the kind of

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cases that I I want to hear more about

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you know those those kinds of things you

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can come through thousands of videos

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and at the end of the day most of them

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don't have all that big picture data and

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that that's what I would like to see

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more of I know it's kind of it's almost

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like a cliche you know like that that's

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the golden Holy Grail of kind of UFO

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cases but there are you know from the

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sounds of things more of those kind of

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cases being held behind the scenes and

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we only need a couple more of those to

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really add some some serious weight to

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you know the conversation love that

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thank you all right Frank bald let's

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well and uh you know having an opinion

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is fine to get some personal attacks

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um firstly then I'll put the round

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so I want to hear less of that I'd like

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to see more of

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grenade said okay they don't want to

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release more videos for various reasons

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um uh platforms and sources that

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Americans Brits five eyes NATO have from

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1960s in the 70s which uh obsolescent

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and and data from those released

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don't be released now because it doesn't

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compromise any International Security

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well I I just want to say Frank if any

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of your cats are gaming right now they

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may be using up some of the bandwidth

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um for your internet because you're

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coming in a choppy so please tell them

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to turn off the Xbox if they haven't had

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their little paws in there

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the VPN and I reconnected so let's see

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how it goes okay mate cool thank you DJ

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uh what what I'm tired of listening to

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and what you would like to hear more of

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well I'd like to hear more of people

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um coalescing around an idea that this

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is a real thing and let's talk about

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figuring out what it is and looking at

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the the parts and pieces of it that our

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experiencers are are reporting to us

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because they're other than uh other than

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what Frank talked about where we have

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you know professional Witnesses with

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sensors and and Radars that are

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capturing data uh then our best

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um evidence gatherers are are

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experiences who are interacting with

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them on a conscious and unconscious

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level on a person level they're

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receiving downloads there's all sorts of

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things and if we could get going on that

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discussion and just enjoy that and um

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kicking around the different theories

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without

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sort of saying it's this or it's that

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again you guys have heard me say this ad

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nauseum Nathan probably wants to slap me

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right now but there's a computer screen

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preventing them from doing so but it

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could be this or that as opposed to this

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and that as opposed to this or that so

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if we don't get rude and you know the

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Bigfoot Community has the same thing

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it's either this or it's that well maybe

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it's both you we don't know but let's

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talk about what what leads us to to some

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of those hypotheses and what I'd like to

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hear less of is people sort of attacking

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content and content creators and let's

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engage in a discussion about the

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phenomenon which is why we came here as

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opposed to in the absence of ideas about

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the phenomenon we're just gonna try to

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attack other content creators so that's

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why I'd like to hear less of and let's

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focus on what we're talking about I love

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it thank you Dad what about you I am so

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tired of the term Zeta reticuli

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and Bob Lazar apologized to Deb right

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now and I'm tired of the term reptilian

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there's so much controversy with those

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they're really not helping the topic

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move forward I think we just need to say

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non-human intelligence or others or

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something and kind of avoid those

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pitfalls and I'd like to get more data

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and patterns I like to look at the

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overall picture and I think it's a lot

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more helpful if we just all get on the

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same page and see what the overall

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picture really is

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love it love it excellent yeah I know

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and I'll just add on to this too so I'm

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tired of the awesome atip hours every

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time I see offset a tip I just throw it

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in the trash can I don't care about that

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anymore

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we don't care who had which funding and

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which program was the parent or the or

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the sub uh sub program we don't care

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there's not even a horse anymore we beat

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it into nothingness

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um yeah so and I'd love to hear I loved

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your answer uh Frank beard to that uh

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I'd love to see uh some more movement in

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the scientific Community just more folks

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like Avi Loeb more academics stepping

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forward I think we're going to see that

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um you know kind of from the quote

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unquote private area but private space

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is in Academia I'd like to see some some

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greater enthusiasm and concerted focus

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on this topic and what it might mean for

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all of us

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yeah I I personally I loved uh both of

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uh I love Deb's answer and and Nathan's

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answer both had provided some funnies uh

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because they are so interesting Zeta

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what uh you know Bob said he read in

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that that pre-brief that he got when he

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when he signed into a five one

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um what I was gonna ask him and ask this

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one of uh Frank uh with a c Frank what

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do you

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um if if you were

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some of these things you you actually

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know uh in in actuality so I want to be

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careful but

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if there is one aspect of the phenomenon

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that you think that governments

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writ large would most want to obscure

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that information due to the effect it

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would have on the public what do you

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think

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those aspects at that aspect singular or

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plural would be

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oh yeah that's a good question I think

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for first of all um

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the one that we all know which is

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um you know

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air defense identification Zone that you

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have no troll over uh over your training

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areas and you know in you know near

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Earth orbit or um you know under the

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oceans

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um you don't want to have that in your

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area of operations as a soft state if

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I think that if there is not

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uh for example about a you know a

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long-term presence of

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and again that you know uh you know

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major powers like United States and its

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allies and you know also including a

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Russian and other countries that if they

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don't have knowledge

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that

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um

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but for example there are ongoing

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you know Mass Abduction of hand

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I personally don't see how hundred

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thousand

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so every year can be making up the same

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story

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um that would be something must want to

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keep under wraps and I think Linda

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Moulton Howe did you know fantastic

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research example on on capital

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mutilations okay then another area uh

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that uh you know seems to have you know

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certain bi flummoxed and also all the

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agencies in those states where uh those

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mutilations took place so I think that's

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another area that the government

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um would

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want basically to keep on the wraps

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anything that they're on about the

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phenomena or the phenomenon or phenomena

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I think the government doesn't doesn't

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understand that they wanted and then

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they would want to keep that under under

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apps you know for both Nash security so

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it's not so stupid and all says well in

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terms of

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um you know why the cover-up of

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of you know the knowledge effectively

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um that have been working on

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partially crash retrieve technology and

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I have you know an unfair competitive

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Advantage as opposed to other

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accompanies

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if there has been you know nefarious

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activities have taken place uh in

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public up to it including balancing

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people permanently and that doesn't mean

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that government would want to keep

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underrats and I think that's going to be

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a problem

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because even if they have people coming

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forward three

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from their obligation and

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va's I think that there will be a a

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great dichotomy for congress uh do we

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openly advertise what has been going on

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what has been covered up and caused Mass

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political upheaval the United States or

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is it something that we keep under wraps

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and offer people

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um basically to keep all the various

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activities you know from the public and

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from our enemies because the last thing

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that America needs right now is more

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political upheaval but that's just my

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take

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mute

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sorry thank you uh Frank we got you

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coming in by about five by three or five

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by two one of the uh I don't know if it

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was high Ash uh from uh ash from I don't

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know if she's from Manchester or if

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she's from uh Liverpool uh I know that

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uh she had a massive weight loss

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congratulations on that Ash

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um anyway can you disconnect from the

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VPN and reconnect and see if we can get

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you clear because you're coming in loud

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but broken

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can you try that yeah

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thank you mate

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okay uh

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dabs or well actually

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yeah because that was the end of my

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question so it's Deb's Deb's term my

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friend

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I'm sorry can you say it again I was

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thinking a lot about what Frank was

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saying yeah um I I asked him I asked him

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um if uh what he thought about that the

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government would most want to obscure in

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terms of the information that they

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thought would let's say be the most

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upsetting to the public I asked him what

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he thought that might be he hit on a few

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of them that I thought and he added a

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few so if you want to tackle that then

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we can just all the way go all the way

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around that Nathan

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I can I can definitely say that what I

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have

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heard that they're trying to obscure is

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information related to the abductions

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and implants

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um you know that they don't really want

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people to know that they're researching

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that and it seems like they're being

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dragged into the spotlight on that nail

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um because it's becoming more obvious

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that they have researched it but I'm not

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sure that they're a huge fan of that

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I I agree with you uh

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yeah so I think um

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kind of a few thoughts to add on that

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really I mean one of the things I would

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say would that it would be either the

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the progress that has been made in terms

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of reverse engineering and studying any

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crash retrieval materials or the lack of

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progress that's been made because either

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of those things you're not really going

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to want to give any of that stuff away

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to any of your adversaries are you I

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mean if you've made some progress but

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you've not figured out some key aspects

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you're not going to want to reveal that

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to anyone just in case they've come up

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with you know certain things that aren't

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the same as what you have and you may be

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giving them the final piece to the

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puzzle or if you've made zero progress

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then if if an adversary has made even a

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tiny bit of progress they're ahead of

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you you know and so it's kind of a weird

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stalemate isn't it it's like everyone's

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drawn the gun at the end of a Tarantino

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movie nobody nobody wants to shoot and

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you know those kind of scenarios

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so I think that's probably the the most

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sort of realistic and and also

440
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um another thing that's quite intriguing

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but you know perhaps a little bit more

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speculative at least from you know from

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the point of view of something that I

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could prove or anything like that is the

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kinds of things John Ramirez talks about

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when he talks about

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um genetic material you know having been

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found and um you know the the

449
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possibility that that might be somehow

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related to you know human DNA that would

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be a really disturbing kind of thing for

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the for the public to to get the head

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around so yeah those are the my thoughts

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to add to that one

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I I love it because uh if I can just

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react to that

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um if we had a top 10 list these are all

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going to be on there oh yeah and by the

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way just in in the Sasquatch community

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and when I heard that David Pilates

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interview that is a very close hold

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secret what the results of that DNA test

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were and he was very uncomfortable being

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asked about it and he said he doesn't

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have it or hasn't been released yet and

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Dr Ketchum hasn't released it

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Etc et cetera et cetera and I think it's

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because people don't want to know that

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answer

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if we share DNA with with with this

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creature

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um because uh Nathan maybe later on and

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I I know you have something else to

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answer but from a religious perspective

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that's probably disturbing for some

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people if that's if if that's even true

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right yeah I would just add uh Echo

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would uh Frank had said earlier

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um

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and and also which in the semivan talked

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about there's a paper that he referenced

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that discusses the impact on States and

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states and state power of this secret

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and I think that's really what is the

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most dangerous or destabilizing you know

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you don't want to be a state power that

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says we don't really understand all of

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what it is we don't have full control uh

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it can come get you any any time we

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can't do anything to stop that uh by the

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way it up ends you know a lot of our

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religious beliefs it up ends our history

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who we are I mean it's it's such a

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destabilizing uh I think truth that is

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so open-ended that you know the more you

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can kind of contain it the more you can

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just preserve the status quo even if the

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status quo is kind of busted uh it's at

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least you know the devil you know right

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so I think that's um probably the

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calculus at play I also think it's just

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an incredibly complicated uh phenomena

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there are a lot of different players uh

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it affects not only us at a

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civilization-wide level but it affects

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us on individual level there's this sort

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of intimate connection that we have to

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it that goes beyond just how we think

509
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about technology or how we think about

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Society you know it's uh it can be quite

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quite personal

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um so for all these reasons I you know

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if I was in the room looking at the at

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the facts as they have them and what

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they could probably share I would

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probably say you know what let's uh you

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know how do we how do we put out a cool

518
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new reality show that'll distract

519
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everybody from this I'd rather not I'd

520
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really rather not do that right now so I

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love it we blanketed this topic we

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really did and Frank hasn't even gone

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yet so we're going to get to Frank Frank

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C uh but uh but what's interesting

525
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Nathan

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um is is that uh that's absolutely you

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know that's absolutely correct you know

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that they that they can't explain it and

529
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and uh Lou Elizondo also said the exact

530
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same thing before Jim semivan came out

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and said it so um it's uh it's

532
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definitely something uh water that you

533
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don't want to wade into and we'll

534
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actually get into this a little bit

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later when we talk about Calvin because

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both Frank and and Frank uh have had

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we've had those conversations but uh so

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Frank uh Milburn the question at this

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point is uh well actually no you were

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the first to answer so now we can go on

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to Debs you're the first one to answer

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that question we just finished up in

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your absence Frank so yep so it's funny

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because your question kind of ties into

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both what Frank was Frank C was saying

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hence and also your question because

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something that's been kind of coming at

548
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me lately is the extent that the

549
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government has covered this up

550
00:21:52,250 --> 00:21:50,280
um and actually Dr Diana posoka was just

551
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,260
talking about how they use Rubble to

552
00:21:58,850 --> 00:21:55,200
disguise the area in New Mexico where

553
00:22:01,669 --> 00:21:58,860
there was a crash retrieval and Frank

554
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:01,679
was talking about people being murdered

555
00:22:06,890 --> 00:22:04,620
over this so I guess my question is do

556
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:06,900
you guys think that the Whistleblower

557
00:22:13,130 --> 00:22:09,360
protection the protection for people

558
00:22:15,649 --> 00:22:13,140
with ndas is going to be effective or do

559
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:15,659
are we not actually going to be able to

560
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:17,700
move forward because of things that have

561
00:22:22,669 --> 00:22:19,860
happened in the past

562
00:22:24,529 --> 00:22:22,679
and I guess I'll let DJ answer that

563
00:22:25,730 --> 00:22:24,539
first and float it around

564
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:25,740
okay

565
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:27,600
um it's funny

566
00:22:32,990 --> 00:22:29,760
um Frank and I uh actually spoke about

567
00:22:34,549 --> 00:22:33,000
this yesterday uh it's funny that and

568
00:22:37,549 --> 00:22:34,559
and I said to him on the phone I said

569
00:22:39,289 --> 00:22:37,559
I'm a glasses half full kind of guy

570
00:22:42,169 --> 00:22:39,299
um that that's basically how I live my

571
00:22:43,970 --> 00:22:42,179
life and and I think uh I'm pretty

572
00:22:46,190 --> 00:22:43,980
positive but when it comes to this

573
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,200
particular topic I become pretty

574
00:22:52,490 --> 00:22:48,960
skeptical of what's going to be released

575
00:22:54,049 --> 00:22:52,500
and I don't get giddy I don't think you

576
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:54,059
guys have ever seen me get giddy about

577
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,740
oh I think we're going to get something

578
00:23:01,010 --> 00:22:58,080
big you've never heard me say that and

579
00:23:03,049 --> 00:23:01,020
then even people uh had had thought that

580
00:23:05,330 --> 00:23:03,059
the United States Navy was going to be

581
00:23:07,610 --> 00:23:05,340
the savior of this topic and the Air

582
00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:07,620
Force was the evil stepsister who was

583
00:23:11,930 --> 00:23:09,720
holding it all back and then boom there

584
00:23:13,430 --> 00:23:11,940
comes that article that the Navy says

585
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,440
that it's gonna it needs to hold back

586
00:23:19,130 --> 00:23:15,600
and it needs to protect and and all that

587
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:19,140
so I don't feel uh very confident and

588
00:23:24,169 --> 00:23:20,820
the other thing that kind of going back

589
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:24,179
to what Nathan said when when Nathan

590
00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:25,080
said

591
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:27,240
um you know it's kind of you know it

592
00:23:32,029 --> 00:23:30,000
it's not a very well kept secret but

593
00:23:34,430 --> 00:23:32,039
we're such a small subset that we don't

594
00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:34,440
realize what a small subset of the

595
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:37,620
population we represent in UFO Twitter

596
00:23:42,529 --> 00:23:40,140
and our our cousins that aren't on

597
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,539
Twitter like Linda Zimmerman but are you

598
00:23:47,630 --> 00:23:45,120
know are are read into the topic

599
00:23:50,090 --> 00:23:47,640
um so I I don't think that um The

600
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:50,100
Whistleblower protections Frank has I

601
00:23:53,890 --> 00:23:51,360
know he Frank Milburn has some

602
00:23:56,930 --> 00:23:53,900
interesting comments on this

603
00:23:59,270 --> 00:23:56,940
and I don't know how much is actually

604
00:24:02,570 --> 00:23:59,280
going to come out because it's going to

605
00:24:04,610 --> 00:24:02,580
refute direct testimony from the the

606
00:24:06,169 --> 00:24:04,620
principles in the program Mr Bray Mr

607
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:06,179
Moultrie

608
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,100
um and I don't I don't think that they

609
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:09,600
want to shoot themselves in the foot so

610
00:24:14,510 --> 00:24:11,520
if they do it'll be in closed session

611
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:14,520
it'll be in the skiff or or the like and

612
00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:17,159
and we probably won't get the results of

613
00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:19,559
it so I think we're going to be doing

614
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:21,480
what we're doing now for the better part

615
00:24:36,289 --> 00:24:31,610
you're going to pass the mic to well we

616
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:36,299
could go to Frank uh the UFO thinker

617
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:38,039
Frank Jones

618
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:40,020
here we are

619
00:24:45,169 --> 00:24:43,440
um the mic has been passed so so yeah

620
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:45,179
it's it's uh it's something I've

621
00:24:49,610 --> 00:24:46,980
actually been talking about on on my

622
00:24:51,049 --> 00:24:49,620
show a fair bit recently about the The

623
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:51,059
Whistleblower thing and on the one hand

624
00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:53,760
I'm quite hopeful about in you know kind

625
00:24:58,490 --> 00:24:55,860
of cautiously optimistic about the whole

626
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,500
thing and because it does seem like you

627
00:25:02,810 --> 00:25:00,960
know the end of the day the the US

628
00:25:04,970 --> 00:25:02,820
government has the best toolkit to get

629
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,980
to the bottom of any mystery and you

630
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,960
know for us as people are interested in

631
00:25:10,430 --> 00:25:08,520
this mystery if we can get a little bit

632
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:10,440
of of some of the answers that they've

633
00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:12,900
been able to find with that incredible

634
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:15,179
toolkit in terms of resources and the

635
00:25:19,490 --> 00:25:17,159
equipment they've gotten the the you

636
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,500
know the people power uh behind it then

637
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:21,059
obviously we'll we'll have a better

638
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:23,700
chance of of understanding you know this

639
00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:26,340
mystery and it feels like with this

640
00:25:30,710 --> 00:25:28,320
legislation going through that is a step

641
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:30,720
towards that direction on the other hand

642
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,820
though I'm also thinking about it from

643
00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:34,559
the point of view of these legal

644
00:25:39,289 --> 00:25:37,020
protections don't tell the full story

645
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,299
I've been speaking can I share with a

646
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,039
few people about this you know just

647
00:25:45,049 --> 00:25:42,720
because you've got legal protection that

648
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:45,059
doesn't necessarily remove all of the

649
00:25:48,769 --> 00:25:46,559
obstacles for people to come forward

650
00:25:51,169 --> 00:25:48,779
because they're still going to be

651
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,179
potentially you know allegiances you

652
00:25:54,289 --> 00:25:52,799
know within certain aspects of the

653
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:54,299
intelligence community that you know

654
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:56,100
that the dod Etc

655
00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:59,340
and if you kind of Spill the Beans the

656
00:26:04,010 --> 00:26:01,140
people who sort of you know not

657
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:04,020
unnecessarily allied with with your push

658
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,179
for transparency that they can come

659
00:26:11,630 --> 00:26:09,360
after you in in other ways outside of

660
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:11,640
just kind of you know the things that

661
00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:13,260
the the legal protections won't

662
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,000
necessarily be able to protect against

663
00:26:18,830 --> 00:26:17,100
you know like you might get passed over

664
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,840
for promotion and things like that you

665
00:26:23,029 --> 00:26:20,640
know that wouldn't necessarily be

666
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:23,039
protected by the legal side of things

667
00:26:28,970 --> 00:26:26,820
so yeah I mean how how close are we

668
00:26:30,590 --> 00:26:28,980
going to get to those those kind of you

669
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:30,600
know the answers that we desire through

670
00:26:34,250 --> 00:26:32,520
these whistleblower protections remains

671
00:26:36,350 --> 00:26:34,260
to be seen I'm cautiously optimistic

672
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,360
about it but the proof will be in the

673
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:38,400
pudding at the end of the day won't it

674
00:26:44,269 --> 00:26:41,520
I think everybody has the tools Frank uh

675
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:44,279
Great Britain has the tools Brazil has

676
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:46,620
the tools Italy has the tools Germany

677
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:48,179
has the tools France has the tools

678
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:51,240
nobody is doing it it's that you know

679
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:52,799
everybody is looking for the United

680
00:26:57,710 --> 00:26:55,559
States to open up this topic and

681
00:27:00,289 --> 00:26:57,720
everybody else has the same sovereignty

682
00:27:03,070 --> 00:27:00,299
to do that if they so choose they have

683
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:03,080
obviously agreed either in secret

684
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,000
uh some somewhere behind closed doors

685
00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:08,760
that nobody is gonna is gonna pop that

686
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:11,220
can and rip it open otherwise they'd be

687
00:27:17,390 --> 00:27:13,799
doing Japan China I mean China's no

688
00:27:19,730 --> 00:27:17,400
Russia these are not you know the last

689
00:27:21,769 --> 00:27:19,740
two are are not necessarily allies of

690
00:27:24,049 --> 00:27:21,779
the are not allies of the United States

691
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:24,059
and yet they've chosen not to open up

692
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:25,980
their files on this topic so what does

693
00:27:30,049 --> 00:27:28,200
that tell you

694
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:30,059
hmm

695
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:31,440
it's not the United States

696
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:34,140
responsibility to do this it's just that

697
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:35,640
they've been more transparent than

698
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,440
anybody else

699
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,360
so you know hopeful we're going to get

700
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,760
too much in the way of answers then yeah

701
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:43,440
we're not more any more equipped to

702
00:27:46,730 --> 00:27:45,000
reveal what we know than any other

703
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:46,740
government is equipped to reveal what

704
00:27:50,990 --> 00:27:48,600
they know

705
00:27:53,870 --> 00:27:51,000
we can collect more

706
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:53,880
maybe but that doesn't mean that other

707
00:27:57,950 --> 00:27:55,620
governments don't have a file that they

708
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,960
have chosen not to stand up on a Podium

709
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,480
and and talk about that information open

710
00:28:05,390 --> 00:28:02,880
source for whatever whatever the reasons

711
00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:05,400
are yeah I guess kind of my thinking

712
00:28:09,950 --> 00:28:07,380
with it is like you know the government

713
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,960
essentially a Servants of the people in

714
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:11,700
terms of you know we the people of

715
00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:13,260
whatever country whether it be the UK

716
00:28:18,470 --> 00:28:15,960
the US you know any kind of you know

717
00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:18,480
modern uh you know country that has the

718
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,400
the capabilities

719
00:28:23,570 --> 00:28:21,840
um to actually look into things like

720
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:23,580
this and like you say I think the UK do

721
00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:25,080
as well I think they have been doing for

722
00:28:29,149 --> 00:28:27,240
quite some time you know it probably in

723
00:28:31,250 --> 00:28:29,159
cooperation with the United States and

724
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:31,260
other other allies

725
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,720
um and I just feel like at the moment

726
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:35,340
for whatever reason whether it's a

727
00:28:38,990 --> 00:28:37,500
coordinated decision or whatever it

728
00:28:41,870 --> 00:28:39,000
might be the US is kind of the one

729
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:41,880
taking the lead on on this and I feel as

730
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:43,559
though if there is indeed something

731
00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:45,779
that's been you know kept Under Wraps

732
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:48,659
there are different factions within the

733
00:28:53,710 --> 00:28:49,980
whether it be the intelligence Community

734
00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:53,720
or the dod and some people within those

735
00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:56,700
once more transparency and there's

736
00:29:01,730 --> 00:28:58,740
another group as well that doesn't want

737
00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:01,740
more transparency and you know it's a

738
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:04,620
tug of war that's kind of ongoing and uh

739
00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:06,419
you know are we gonna see the the

740
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,220
balance tip slightly obviously he's been

741
00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:10,320
in favor of complete secrecy for a long

742
00:29:14,870 --> 00:29:13,140
long time and these new bits of

743
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:14,880
legislation you know you could say that

744
00:29:19,490 --> 00:29:17,640
that is slight tipping in in favor of

745
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:19,500
the other side of that balance and I

746
00:29:23,690 --> 00:29:22,260
hope that it is but we'll have to see

747
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,700
won't we

748
00:29:27,529 --> 00:29:25,080
yeah it's just there is nothing

749
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:27,539
preventing Any Nation from disclosing

750
00:29:33,409 --> 00:29:30,360
what they have no matter what What

751
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:33,419
legislation is enacted here it it Bears

752
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,960
it Bears no control or over a Sovereign

753
00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:39,120
Nation from revealing what they know if

754
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:41,340
they want to and they've decided that

755
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,600
they don't want to

756
00:29:47,870 --> 00:29:45,840
and that's you can just name off any any

757
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,880
of the EU any any country and they're

758
00:29:52,250 --> 00:29:49,980
going to tell you the same thing yep no

759
00:29:57,649 --> 00:29:52,260
we don't know anything they're out there

760
00:30:01,789 --> 00:29:59,570
is my sound okay guys

761
00:30:04,669 --> 00:30:01,799
this is great brilliant

762
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:04,679
yeah I I wanted to Second what um what

763
00:30:07,970 --> 00:30:06,779
Frank beard um said about the whistlebar

764
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:07,980
protection

765
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:12,419
okay so you have a reprieve from opening

766
00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,700
up if you have um

767
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:16,860
if you have an NDA

768
00:30:20,149 --> 00:30:19,020
obviously talking behind closed doors to

769
00:30:21,769 --> 00:30:20,159
Congress some kind of you know

770
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:21,779
investigation some kind of investigative

771
00:30:26,570 --> 00:30:24,539
committee but

772
00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:26,580
if you are penalized

773
00:30:29,630 --> 00:30:28,380
by your employer whether it's the

774
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:29,640
government or you're a private

775
00:30:33,710 --> 00:30:31,200
contractor you know you're going to be

776
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,720
out of pocket in the meantime and you

777
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:35,279
know you're going to have to uh you know

778
00:30:40,909 --> 00:30:38,640
uh funding you know lawyers bills until

779
00:30:43,850 --> 00:30:40,919
you get like the you know your complaint

780
00:30:45,830 --> 00:30:43,860
emotion and with the um uh you know with

781
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:45,840
the with the US government

782
00:30:52,850 --> 00:30:49,620
um and also in a more nefarious sense

783
00:30:55,850 --> 00:30:52,860
there is no whistlebar protection for

784
00:30:59,149 --> 00:30:55,860
illegal activities as in if you've been

785
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,159
if you have knowledge of you know unfair

786
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,320
Market competition where for example you

787
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:03,600
know an aerospace company has been given

788
00:31:07,789 --> 00:31:06,120
some kind of artifact and they have an

789
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:07,799
advantage over another Aerospace company

790
00:31:12,409 --> 00:31:09,659
which has not had access to that

791
00:31:13,970 --> 00:31:12,419
technology or if you've been privy to

792
00:31:15,950 --> 00:31:13,980
the cover-up and you know that there's

793
00:31:17,330 --> 00:31:15,960
you know been you know uh murders

794
00:31:19,789 --> 00:31:17,340
involved or you know directed energy

795
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:19,799
weapons used harassment or scientists

796
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:21,360
then you're going to be thinking to

797
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:23,520
yourself well these the people that I've

798
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:26,220
been working for and you know even if I

799
00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:27,960
go into witness protection right the US

800
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,520
Marshals aren't going to be able to

801
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:31,440
protect me because these people have a

802
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,000
Long Reach they've been operating for

803
00:31:38,029 --> 00:31:35,580
this long since for the better part of

804
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:38,039
uh of eight decades

805
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:39,360
um completely

806
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,700
out of view of the US government and

807
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,919
with no you know legal supervision

808
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:46,020
whatsoever with no oversight whatsoever

809
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:53,630
yeah and I just want to say from a civil

810
00:31:59,930 --> 00:31:56,580
service perspective there was in there

811
00:32:01,789 --> 00:31:59,940
were just west and north of where I

812
00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:01,799
excuse me east and north of where I live

813
00:32:06,889 --> 00:32:04,620
the Apalachicola national forest and

814
00:32:10,730 --> 00:32:06,899
during one of the forest fires a couple

815
00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:10,740
of the state forestry employees were

816
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:13,620
told to travel some of these double

817
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:16,020
track roads these Scrabble roads

818
00:32:20,990 --> 00:32:18,659
that are in the Apalachicola forest and

819
00:32:22,909 --> 00:32:21,000
see if they find any distressed animals

820
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:22,919
then you bring the animal back and if

821
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:25,140
they can heal the animal they will or

822
00:32:28,909 --> 00:32:26,760
they'll euthanize it because animals

823
00:32:31,130 --> 00:32:28,919
will sometimes run to the road I guess

824
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:31,140
to get rescued during these situations

825
00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:34,020
where there's a fire and reportedly

826
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:35,880
according to this documentary and I

827
00:32:42,070 --> 00:32:38,580
don't know the veracity of it

828
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:42,080
um they they ran over a young a younger

829
00:32:47,510 --> 00:32:44,700
Sasquatch bolted into the road and they

830
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,520
hit it with their vehicle that had a

831
00:32:52,730 --> 00:32:49,440
sort of up armored brush guard on the

832
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:52,740
front and and ran over it and they

833
00:32:58,010 --> 00:32:54,779
loaded it into the truck and brought it

834
00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:58,020
back and shortly thereafter a couple of

835
00:33:03,529 --> 00:32:59,520
individuals from the federal government

836
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:03,539
turned up at their their base camp and

837
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:05,820
said take us back and and show us where

838
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:07,799
you where you hit it tell us the story

839
00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:09,059
and they told the story and that's when

840
00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,860
they came with the finger in the chest

841
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:13,140
and they said um

842
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:15,059
um what you hit was a bear and of course

843
00:33:18,350 --> 00:33:16,320
they said no he didn't and then they

844
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:18,360
said if you if you want your retirement

845
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:20,640
what you hit was a bear

846
00:33:27,409 --> 00:33:23,760
so just you know remember that you hit a

847
00:33:29,870 --> 00:33:27,419
bear if you want to get your retirement

848
00:33:31,730 --> 00:33:29,880
um and then for contractors I can tell

849
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,740
you from having signed a couple of

850
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:33,360
contracts as a contractor with the

851
00:33:36,409 --> 00:33:35,279
government it is at will employment so I

852
00:33:38,570 --> 00:33:36,419
don't think I need to say any more about

853
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:38,580
that

854
00:33:42,529 --> 00:33:40,620
yeah I would agree another thing I would

855
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:42,539
add to that to me that the uh the

856
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:45,240
protections potentially open up some

857
00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:47,159
avenues for those who are in fact

858
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:48,779
already retired and have left the

859
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:50,519
government and maybe had signed an NDA

860
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:52,019
or been part of these programs in the

861
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,000
past so if they had ever been part of a

862
00:33:59,149 --> 00:33:56,580
program left the program are not on the

863
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:59,159
government's dollar uh you know

864
00:34:03,470 --> 00:34:01,200
potentially those individuals might feel

865
00:34:05,830 --> 00:34:03,480
more at Liberty to say what they know at

866
00:34:08,690 --> 00:34:05,840
least in a closed door sort of situation

867
00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:08,700
uh even then though I would Echo exactly

868
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:10,980
what the Franks have stated that you

869
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,240
know there's there's a tremendous amount

870
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:13,919
of pressure Within These programs you

871
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,440
can only imagine uh you know to be the

872
00:34:19,849 --> 00:34:18,240
person that sticks your neck out when

873
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,859
your colleagues even if you're there

874
00:34:24,349 --> 00:34:22,080
your former colleagues are not doing so

875
00:34:26,570 --> 00:34:24,359
uh you know we're we're a very like

876
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:26,580
memetic species right we look around and

877
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:28,080
we kind of look at the room and see what

878
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:29,399
people are doing we generally do what

879
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:30,839
everybody else is doing it takes a lot

880
00:34:36,169 --> 00:34:33,300
of courage to step out and do something

881
00:34:38,329 --> 00:34:36,179
different and I don't know that um

882
00:34:41,450 --> 00:34:38,339
the reward is really there for

883
00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:41,460
individuals to do that now some I think

884
00:34:46,970 --> 00:34:44,040
maybe feel a tremendous compulsion to do

885
00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:46,980
so and I think those are the folks who

886
00:34:51,349 --> 00:34:48,899
quite frankly are kind of think of them

887
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:51,359
as evangelists or even zealots you know

888
00:34:55,430 --> 00:34:53,760
they've had an experience it's not just

889
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:55,440
they've worked on this they've had an

890
00:34:58,670 --> 00:34:57,000
experience of Their Own It has touched

891
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:58,680
them on a very personal level and they

892
00:35:02,990 --> 00:35:01,440
feel an obligation to humanity to talk

893
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,000
about it so you're really looking for

894
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:05,280
those kinds of people who have that

895
00:35:09,650 --> 00:35:08,339
unique drive to kind of step out and

896
00:35:11,329 --> 00:35:09,660
share what they know and damn the

897
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,339
consequences so I don't know how many

898
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:13,680
people like that there are hopefully we

899
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:17,820
have a few but Jim Sammy van yeah Rick

900
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:22,020
Doty perhaps but even then I think I

901
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,780
think we you know tend to believe they

902
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,119
know a lot more than they really do this

903
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:29,520
kind of gets back to what what do we

904
00:35:33,710 --> 00:35:31,260
actually know I mean there there are

905
00:35:37,069 --> 00:35:33,720
certainly Secrets 100 percent uh but as

906
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:37,079
far as what those Secrets portray what

907
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:39,000
the picture actually is I'm not sure we

908
00:35:42,530 --> 00:35:40,320
have a lot of clarity there they can

909
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:42,540
certainly point in some directions hey

910
00:35:46,849 --> 00:35:44,940
maybe look over here or you know dig a

911
00:35:48,770 --> 00:35:46,859
little deeper in this sap or what

912
00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:48,780
whatnot and maybe you'll find something

913
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:51,599
but um yeah I I feel like we're in the

914
00:35:55,630 --> 00:35:53,880
season of pessimism right now to be

915
00:35:59,050 --> 00:35:55,640
frank

916
00:36:01,550 --> 00:35:59,060
and that's twice

917
00:36:03,470 --> 00:36:01,560
but it feels that way that certainly is

918
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:03,480
the vibe that I'm getting now I hope to

919
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:04,980
be wrong I hope that there is some sort

920
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,780
of um you know something coming out of

921
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:08,400
left field that we aren't expecting I've

922
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:09,540
certainly heard a couple rumors like

923
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:11,640
that but I I just don't know we'll have

924
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,020
to wait and see

925
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:14,880
I've said from the beginning I didn't

926
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:17,339
think Lou was read into to everything

927
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:19,980
just because uh there are saps out there

928
00:36:24,290 --> 00:36:21,359
that he didn't ever need to know about

929
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,300
that was not part of atip or OSAP so

930
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,640
I've said that from the very beginning

931
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,740
and I think he basically says that

932
00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:31,200
although I think some people have shared

933
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,240
some things with him

934
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:35,760
um unofficially that that gives him some

935
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:37,619
certain knowledge but of course he

936
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:39,240
doesn't know it all nobody knows it all

937
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:42,420
even the people that know everything the

938
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:45,000
government's done in our government or

939
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:46,680
or be it the British government still

940
00:36:50,510 --> 00:36:47,940
doesn't know it all they just know more

941
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:50,520
than we do so that you know that that's

942
00:36:53,930 --> 00:36:52,020
compelling

943
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:53,940
um even if in aggregate it's not it's

944
00:36:58,370 --> 00:36:56,160
not everything because that information

945
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:58,380
doesn't exist

946
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,619
don't think

947
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,359
what Jim said and by the way everybody

948
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:05,760
if you want to check out one of Jim's

949
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:07,380
interviews that I absolutely love check

950
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:09,780
out Stuart Davis he's a member of the

951
00:37:14,210 --> 00:37:12,720
experiencer group and it was a different

952
00:37:16,730 --> 00:37:14,220
very different interview than the

953
00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:16,740
interview that he had with us

954
00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:18,599
um and I love that interview just like I

955
00:37:25,370 --> 00:37:21,060
love the interview we did with him but

956
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:28,750
um but um yeah he's he's very candid uh

957
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:33,000
uh about uh what that he he says I I

958
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:34,920
don't think they know it all and part of

959
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:37,320
the problem is and and you a couple of

960
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,060
you spoke about this Frank has spoke

961
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:41,040
about it Nathan spoke about it is

962
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:44,700
they're at a loss to be able to explain

963
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:46,440
um what they do know because they don't

964
00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:47,940
understand how do you explain something

965
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:50,460
that you don't understand

966
00:37:55,370 --> 00:37:53,520
um I've been in that you know in that uh

967
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,380
situation someone asked you about the

968
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:56,880
airplane some you don't know understand

969
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:58,320
about the airplane well I can't explain

970
00:38:01,870 --> 00:38:00,660
to you if I don't understand it so

971
00:38:04,609 --> 00:38:01,880
anyway

972
00:38:08,569 --> 00:38:04,619
uh who's next oh

973
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,579
Mr Frank it's your turn maybe this is

974
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:09,599
the first time we're gonna hear you say

975
00:38:17,569 --> 00:38:13,560
report in this in this podcast I hope

976
00:38:20,210 --> 00:38:17,579
which front me yeah okay cool

977
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:20,220
um yeah just to add if it's cool um

978
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,780
quickly a couple of thoughts on on what

979
00:38:25,010 --> 00:38:23,040
you were saying there as well before I

980
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:25,020
get into my little my little topic sort

981
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:27,060
of thing and yeah I I think you're

982
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,560
exactly right I think sometimes

983
00:38:33,230 --> 00:38:30,900
everything becomes a breadcrumb that

984
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:33,240
that the Lola's on though or Christopher

985
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:35,160
melon or any of these people who've you

986
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,540
know been on the other side of the

987
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,240
curtain of secrecy kind of thing and I

988
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:40,800
think even they would say themselves

989
00:38:44,450 --> 00:38:42,540
that that's not really how it's intended

990
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:44,460
sometimes they do leave breadcrumbs

991
00:38:49,130 --> 00:38:47,099
that's absolutely correct but as you say

992
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,140
I don't think Louis zando has all the

993
00:38:52,970 --> 00:38:50,640
answers he just has a very strong

994
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:52,980
indication of where the some of some

995
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:54,839
more you know more in-depth answers may

996
00:38:59,630 --> 00:38:56,760
be located and he's trying to get

997
00:39:01,130 --> 00:38:59,640
towards that and I think uh Chris Melvin

998
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,140
said the other day

999
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:02,880
um that he didn't think that Lou

1000
00:39:07,310 --> 00:39:04,680
Alexander was directly involved in any

1001
00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:07,320
kind of a crash retrieval program either

1002
00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:09,780
um but then again he said exactly but he

1003
00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:11,940
confirmed that Luella zondo as far as he

1004
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:13,500
knows is not one of the people who

1005
00:39:17,089 --> 00:39:15,480
waiting to come forward to testify

1006
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:17,099
should these whistleblower protections

1007
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:19,260
be put into place but he did also

1008
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:21,420
suggest that there are people but he's

1009
00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,480
used to the term people's in plural who

1010
00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:27,119
have been you know directly involved

1011
00:39:30,290 --> 00:39:28,740
with some of these these programs so

1012
00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:30,300
that'll be very interesting that's kind

1013
00:39:34,670 --> 00:39:32,700
of you know sort of corroborates what

1014
00:39:37,310 --> 00:39:34,680
Gary Nolan has been saying as well so

1015
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:37,320
there's a lot of um very interesting

1016
00:39:40,970 --> 00:39:39,540
things you know in that direction we'll

1017
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:40,980
see how it all plays out over the course

1018
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:43,560
of the next six months eh

1019
00:39:47,870 --> 00:39:45,060
um yeah anything you guys want to add

1020
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,880
before we get into my little topic

1021
00:39:53,210 --> 00:39:49,619
no go for it man

1022
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:53,220
Yeah so basically black triangles

1023
00:39:56,750 --> 00:39:54,900
um it's a it's an aspect of the UFO

1024
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:56,760
topic that I find particularly

1025
00:39:59,930 --> 00:39:58,440
interesting

1026
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,940
um for a few reasons

1027
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:02,400
uh the sightings are generally you know

1028
00:40:06,650 --> 00:40:04,380
completely unambiguous we're not talking

1029
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,660
about distant lights and things you know

1030
00:40:11,329 --> 00:40:08,160
we're talking about really clearly

1031
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:11,339
defined shapes of very large objects you

1032
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:13,140
know in many cases the triangles are

1033
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:15,240
actually very close to the Observer they

1034
00:40:19,150 --> 00:40:17,579
move very slowly as well so they can be

1035
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:19,160
observed for longer periods of time

1036
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,260
overpopulated areas as well and often

1037
00:40:26,510 --> 00:40:24,000
they've been seen by multiple

1038
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,520
individuals with radar returns and all

1039
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:29,520
the rest of it and they almost never

1040
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,119
appear to to land or crash but they just

1041
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,220
kind of slowly go about whatever is the

1042
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:37,920
chance to achieve with what seems to be

1043
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:41,280
like a disregard for people watching and

1044
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:42,540
obviously

1045
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:44,520
they have very similar characteristics

1046
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,020
as well even going back hundreds of

1047
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,720
years which kind of suggests to me at

1048
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,400
least that they can't be explained by

1049
00:40:55,550 --> 00:40:52,740
being modern black budget Tech

1050
00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:55,560
so the specific questions

1051
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:57,000
um be interested to hear what you guys

1052
00:41:02,450 --> 00:41:00,180
think are what could these objects be

1053
00:41:03,950 --> 00:41:02,460
doing and also

1054
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:03,960
um what is going on with the lights

1055
00:41:07,550 --> 00:41:06,180
which I suppose is is you know a

1056
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,560
question about UFOs in general but

1057
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,839
triangles in particular it's a huge

1058
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,760
silent black object

1059
00:41:15,710 --> 00:41:13,680
if they turned out the lights at night

1060
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:15,720
they'd be very stealthy so why do they

1061
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:17,579
have lights do they want to be seen so

1062
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:20,099
yeah just to summarize what are these

1063
00:41:24,829 --> 00:41:22,980
black triangles doing potentially and

1064
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:24,839
what's going on with the lights

1065
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,810
sure um I made a few notes last night I

1066
00:41:36,050 --> 00:41:34,800
was up late reading

1067
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:36,060
um

1068
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:37,440
obviously I don't have all the answers

1069
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,500
but if we're talking about triangle UFOs

1070
00:41:44,270 --> 00:41:42,240
um I referenced them

1071
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,280
what Colonel John Alexander has said

1072
00:41:48,170 --> 00:41:46,800
about them and also David Marlow who

1073
00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:48,180
wrote you know the seminal book on on

1074
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:51,540
triangle your vote so first sighting I

1075
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,820
think was 1882 in like the Far East so

1076
00:42:03,890 --> 00:41:54,720
that's

1077
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:03,900
Works in the U.S Air Force and I also

1078
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:06,420
think that because of that time that

1079
00:42:11,150 --> 00:42:09,300
that whole time frame from 1882

1080
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:11,160
you can't say then that you know black

1081
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:13,260
us projects could possibly account for

1082
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,640
all those sightings

1083
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,440
and I also say

1084
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,720
uh you don't test that kind of that

1085
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:20,640
technology overpopulated areas so I was

1086
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,200
looking through some some British cases

1087
00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:24,420
for example where they're you know

1088
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:26,760
you've got massive massive uh you know

1089
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,380
hundreds of meters across triangles and

1090
00:42:32,089 --> 00:42:30,480
they're hovering across roads and you

1091
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:32,099
know basically casting Shadows over

1092
00:42:36,530 --> 00:42:34,380
fields and that kind of stuff so you

1093
00:42:38,690 --> 00:42:36,540
just don't test that stuff in a

1094
00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:38,700
populated environment

1095
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:40,260
um and also the technology doesn't seem

1096
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:42,960
to evolve because from 1882 to what we

1097
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:45,599
have today what you'd expect with um you

1098
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:48,839
know a you know a terrestrial aircraft

1099
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:50,520
um whether it's you know like from the

1100
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,900
Wright brothers onwards we've seen a

1101
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:53,700
direct progression in technology right

1102
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:56,280
from like biplanes to monoplanes to to

1103
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,500
Jets to scramjets right so you see a

1104
00:43:01,609 --> 00:43:00,240
progression of Technology the technology

1105
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,619
with triangles doesn't seem to have

1106
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,660
changed also as well if you're talking

1107
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:05,280
about um you know the aircraft design

1108
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:07,260
aircraft to design you know terrestrial

1109
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:08,579
aircraft are designed for a specific

1110
00:43:11,809 --> 00:43:09,900
purpose

1111
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,819
um and large flying platforms I'm not

1112
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:13,200
talking about dirigibles right or

1113
00:43:17,390 --> 00:43:14,460
balloons that are used for intelligence

1114
00:43:21,170 --> 00:43:17,400
purposes or or for um you know um

1115
00:43:24,589 --> 00:43:21,180
uh you know putting out um you know um

1116
00:43:26,990 --> 00:43:24,599
uh propaganda or advertising

1117
00:43:28,730 --> 00:43:27,000
um large aircraft like the Antonov or

1118
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:28,740
the Galaxy C5 they're designed to

1119
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,640
transport people and Equipment right so

1120
00:43:37,849 --> 00:43:35,760
I find it very hard to believe that if

1121
00:43:40,370 --> 00:43:37,859
these were American Technology why

1122
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:40,380
weren't they used in in Afghanistan and

1123
00:43:43,790 --> 00:43:41,880
why do why would you see them in Iraq

1124
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,800
because you had arrested horrific

1125
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,599
logistical challenges in both

1126
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,520
Afghanistan and Iraq I mean I worked on

1127
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,440
convoys for a while in Iraq so I was

1128
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:50,880
marshaling in like you have a massive

1129
00:43:55,309 --> 00:43:52,380
Convoy military Convoy that comes in

1130
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:55,319
you're looking like 200 trucks just with

1131
00:43:58,849 --> 00:43:56,700
um you know the uh you know the the

1132
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,859
supplies and you know the food the water

1133
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,660
the petrol lubricants plus all the

1134
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:02,400
supply vehicles and your thousands of

1135
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,140
trucks transiting Iraq and Afghanistan

1136
00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:06,720
every day and from Afghanistan also over

1137
00:44:10,430 --> 00:44:08,280
the Hindu Kush and traveling from

1138
00:44:12,829 --> 00:44:10,440
Pakistan so it's very problematic so why

1139
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:12,839
wasn't this technology used if it were

1140
00:44:16,849 --> 00:44:13,800
American

1141
00:44:19,069 --> 00:44:16,859
and also if you're talking

1142
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:19,079
these platforms triangles they've got

1143
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:20,460
five observable technology they can

1144
00:44:23,930 --> 00:44:21,660
hover

1145
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:23,940
um they can um they have instance

1146
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,980
acceleration you've got Hypersonic

1147
00:44:29,329 --> 00:44:28,200
velocities without signatures uh they've

1148
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:29,339
definitely got signature management

1149
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:30,599
because some people have said you know

1150
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:32,339
they kind of like disappear or they look

1151
00:44:33,849 --> 00:44:33,119
like they're you know they've got

1152
00:44:37,250 --> 00:44:33,859
electric

1153
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,260
Electro Optical camouflage so you know

1154
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:40,140
if America had that technology or if an

1155
00:44:44,270 --> 00:44:42,060
ally had that technology then why would

1156
00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:44,280
you spend billions and billions on F22

1157
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,079
and F-35 you know those are just my

1158
00:44:54,829 --> 00:44:52,849
I agree I agree money

1159
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,839
yeah that I mean they're one of those

1160
00:45:00,109 --> 00:44:57,000
crafts that uh to me feel the most

1161
00:45:02,450 --> 00:45:00,119
ominous I don't know quite why I have

1162
00:45:05,210 --> 00:45:02,460
that reaction I've not seen one but the

1163
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:05,220
accounts of individuals that have tend

1164
00:45:09,950 --> 00:45:07,740
to carry that extra level of weight I

1165
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,960
don't know if it's because of the

1166
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,000
you know just the sharp edges and the

1167
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:14,520
the black void of the object as far as

1168
00:45:19,430 --> 00:45:16,859
the lights are concerned you know I've I

1169
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,440
take that to mean an Evidence of their

1170
00:45:22,430 --> 00:45:21,720
propulsion their means of propulsion

1171
00:45:24,349 --> 00:45:22,440
um

1172
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:24,359
rather than a means of you know

1173
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:26,520
illumination or uh

1174
00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:29,400
of signaling uh that they're a craft of

1175
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:30,599
some sort that you need to watch out for

1176
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,280
in the sky

1177
00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:34,800
um you know to the point of stealth if

1178
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,880
they're if they're concerned about

1179
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:37,440
Stealth they would certainly turn those

1180
00:45:41,329 --> 00:45:39,900
off right uh they don't seem to be

1181
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,339
concerned that's the other thing is they

1182
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:43,680
they appear they hover they loiter then

1183
00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:46,740
they disappear with Incredible speed

1184
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,339
um

1185
00:45:50,809 --> 00:45:49,380
I mean that those are indications of the

1186
00:45:52,849 --> 00:45:50,819
other craft as well that they just don't

1187
00:45:55,309 --> 00:45:52,859
give to you know what's about what we

1188
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:55,319
think or where they happen to show up or

1189
00:45:58,010 --> 00:45:57,300
or whatnot so

1190
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,020
um

1191
00:46:01,790 --> 00:46:00,180
I don't know that you know we also tend

1192
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:01,800
to want to classify these things right

1193
00:46:06,109 --> 00:46:04,020
so it's the triangles are different from

1194
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:06,119
the saucers are different from the orbs

1195
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:07,980
or different from you know we this the

1196
00:46:13,089 --> 00:46:10,020
cigar shapes so maybe these are all

1197
00:46:16,010 --> 00:46:13,099
different you know sort of species or

1198
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:16,020
hard for me to make that determination

1199
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:18,599
without a lot of more data

1200
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:20,280
um and we certainly also heard that

1201
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:21,720
maybe they've performed different

1202
00:46:25,849 --> 00:46:23,819
functions so these are just these are

1203
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:25,859
kind of narratives that we project onto

1204
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:28,920
these objects that I think help us to

1205
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:30,780
categorize what we just don't really

1206
00:46:36,050 --> 00:46:33,300
know we're we're filling in this empty

1207
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,060
void uh with with our own sort of

1208
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:38,400
stories to to feel better about whatever

1209
00:46:41,390 --> 00:46:40,380
it happens to be there are certainly a

1210
00:46:44,270 --> 00:46:41,400
lot of

1211
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:44,280
um accounts of individuals who have seen

1212
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:46,140
these and even been on board them I

1213
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,300
think the the Terry Loveless story was a

1214
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:51,119
triangle encounter and there were if I

1215
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:52,140
recall

1216
00:46:59,390 --> 00:46:56,040
um Vats of you know sort of beings uh

1217
00:47:00,349 --> 00:46:59,400
being seemingly incubated in the craft I

1218
00:47:02,930 --> 00:47:00,359
don't quite know that was the

1219
00:47:06,650 --> 00:47:02,940
interpretation so that is an interesting

1220
00:47:07,250 --> 00:47:06,660
uh you know fact there I don't know it's

1221
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:07,260
um

1222
00:47:10,190 --> 00:47:08,579
I would love to know more but I

1223
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:10,200
completely agree

1224
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,660
um with Frank Milburn that the the the

1225
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:15,119
stories go back too far for it to be our

1226
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:16,440
Tech

1227
00:47:21,410 --> 00:47:18,359
um now we certainly could have you know

1228
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:21,420
aped the tech later on and uh or

1229
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:22,980
captured it perhaps and learned how to

1230
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,260
Pilot them or whatever but it seems like

1231
00:47:29,870 --> 00:47:27,660
this is not something that we uh cooked

1232
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:29,880
up in a in a McDonald Douglas you know

1233
00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:32,460
Hangar somewhere and you know just

1234
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,020
started we're just following it back

1235
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,000
holding it back you know because why not

1236
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:38,400
right so the rainy day you might need it

1237
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:40,140
yeah yep can I make another quick

1238
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:42,300
comment on that guys please

1239
00:47:44,930 --> 00:47:43,680
yeah also as well I mean if you're

1240
00:47:46,190 --> 00:47:44,940
talking about like these massive craft

1241
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:46,200
like some of them are like you know

1242
00:47:50,510 --> 00:47:47,220
they're supposed to be like kilometers

1243
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:50,520
across right so if for example the USA

1244
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:53,700
If This Were U.S tech so you know where

1245
00:47:59,150 --> 00:47:57,119
are these vehicles being built uh where

1246
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:59,160
are they being based out of if you're

1247
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:01,200
using it for you know whether it's um

1248
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,760
you know I star or whether you're using

1249
00:48:07,250 --> 00:48:04,740
it for Logistics like who's involved in

1250
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:07,260
like loading it up who fixes it

1251
00:48:11,089 --> 00:48:09,300
um who refuels it if it needs refueling

1252
00:48:12,530 --> 00:48:11,099
you know who Pilots it there's some kind

1253
00:48:14,390 --> 00:48:12,540
of infrastructure that has to be

1254
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:14,400
involved with these craft as well so

1255
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:16,020
where is that infrastructure and who's

1256
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:17,640
providing it

1257
00:48:20,510 --> 00:48:19,140
yeah that's a great point you know when

1258
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:20,520
you're finished playing pool you put the

1259
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:22,020
rack up on the wall like where do they

1260
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,940
hang these things I don't

1261
00:48:28,010 --> 00:48:26,160
think I don't know right if you've seen

1262
00:48:29,809 --> 00:48:28,020
like an automotive hanger or even a

1263
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:29,819
hanger where like Boeing would build

1264
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:33,000
747s like out in uh in the Seattle area

1265
00:48:37,609 --> 00:48:35,700
they're so enormous that you just

1266
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:37,619
couldn't hide and you couldn't keep

1267
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:39,599
enough people under wraps it's just

1268
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:42,300
there's so many aspects of what these

1269
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:44,640
things do particularly the silent

1270
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:47,460
propulsion that just makes them Beyond

1271
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:49,440
us that it's never been a question in my

1272
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,900
mind that it that it's it's not us at

1273
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:54,480
this point someday it might be if

1274
00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:56,460
Humanity lasts that long and we can

1275
00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:58,500
preserve the environment in which we

1276
00:49:02,690 --> 00:49:01,260
live the planet and make it survival for

1277
00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:02,700
long enough I've no doubt we'll get

1278
00:49:14,329 --> 00:49:13,130
I was looking I'm in the middle and then

1279
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:14,339
she's next I was going to give it right

1280
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:16,260
to her honestly I think you're gonna

1281
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,880
have to build on a couple things I'm

1282
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:19,200
pointing out because you're the expert

1283
00:49:23,809 --> 00:49:21,960
on this stuff DJ you're gonna know some

1284
00:49:27,470 --> 00:49:23,819
so I think it's better if I throw these

1285
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:27,480
out there so yeah once upon a time I was

1286
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,200
researching Alexander lippish who is um

1287
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,880
an engineer

1288
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:34,319
um that we got

1289
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:37,800
through Operation Paperclip

1290
00:49:43,309 --> 00:49:41,220
so he was a Nazi and he created some

1291
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:43,319
really bizarre craft and one of the

1292
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:45,180
things that he created was a triangle

1293
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:49,200
and shortly after that we started going

1294
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:52,440
to the Delta shape and I've been really

1295
00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:55,800
fixated on watching Delta shapes but we

1296
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,020
still do not have something that is that

1297
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:00,240
big or looks anything like what people

1298
00:50:05,450 --> 00:50:03,240
are describing the closest that we

1299
00:50:08,470 --> 00:50:05,460
um have gotten is Russia was working on

1300
00:50:10,849 --> 00:50:08,480
a helicopter it was a three-part

1301
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:10,859
helicopter that would have looked like a

1302
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:12,660
triangle to someone observing down below

1303
00:50:17,950 --> 00:50:15,060
but it never got off the ground

1304
00:50:20,690 --> 00:50:17,960
well you know literally never

1305
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:20,700
they never did it I will tell you though

1306
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,760
from like a human perspective all of

1307
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,200
those Craft

1308
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:27,839
um that they have that large triangle

1309
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,300
shape they're like that for storage

1310
00:50:33,829 --> 00:50:31,920
reasons

1311
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:33,839
um like that was why they had the one in

1312
00:50:38,150 --> 00:50:35,400
Russia being built they wanted to be

1313
00:50:40,730 --> 00:50:38,160
able to lift really heavy objects

1314
00:50:43,790 --> 00:50:40,740
um and the Delta that they're working on

1315
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:43,800
now for the next gen fighter apparently

1316
00:50:48,650 --> 00:50:46,500
it's shaped the way it is as a big

1317
00:50:52,190 --> 00:50:48,660
triangle in order to store more things

1318
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:52,200
underneath it so that seems to be an

1319
00:50:56,809 --> 00:50:54,359
answer from a human perspective what

1320
00:50:59,089 --> 00:50:56,819
something non-human would say you know

1321
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,099
totally different and the last thing I

1322
00:51:03,109 --> 00:51:01,319
just wanted to comment actually I just

1323
00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:03,119
have two quick more comments one was

1324
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,740
that you know with shapes like Nathan

1325
00:51:08,990 --> 00:51:07,020
said you know shapes would get caught on

1326
00:51:11,150 --> 00:51:09,000
them but they change shapes all the time

1327
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,160
I was literally envisioning like this

1328
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,960
triangle just breaking off into little

1329
00:51:17,569 --> 00:51:15,000
pieces while we were talking because

1330
00:51:19,490 --> 00:51:17,579
people see these changes all the time

1331
00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:19,500
with these craft they're not following

1332
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:22,500
our roles and then as far as the lights

1333
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:25,079
go they probably really don't care if we

1334
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:26,520
see their lights or not and I don't

1335
00:51:30,890 --> 00:51:28,559
really think they're like lights like we

1336
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,900
have I think they're propulsion related

1337
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:33,359
and that's all I wanted to say okay DJ

1338
00:51:39,049 --> 00:51:36,780
please provide your expert advice on

1339
00:51:41,809 --> 00:51:39,059
this well I mean first of all I'm

1340
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,819
definitely no no expert but I I could

1341
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,160
talk about what the triangle shape means

1342
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:46,319
in terms of Aviation and I'll start off

1343
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:47,940
with saying that David Marler said in

1344
00:51:54,170 --> 00:51:50,760
some of the cases the broad end or wide

1345
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:54,180
end of the triangle was was facing it

1346
00:51:58,730 --> 00:51:56,040
was the direction of flight while the

1347
00:52:01,069 --> 00:51:58,740
pointy end was not and that tells you

1348
00:52:03,170 --> 00:52:01,079
what I've been saying all along is that

1349
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,180
it doesn't matter that something's

1350
00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:05,280
moving through the air it matters if it

1351
00:52:10,430 --> 00:52:07,859
has a wing form and if you just take a

1352
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:10,440
teardrop and you turn it on its side so

1353
00:52:14,930 --> 00:52:12,240
that the fat end is the direction of

1354
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,940
flight and the narrow end of that tier

1355
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:16,800
and then what we do is we take the

1356
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:18,359
bottom of that teardrop and we just

1357
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,740
slice it flat

1358
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:22,559
if you do that so that only the top is

1359
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,140
teardrop so we've sliced it so that the

1360
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:27,119
Bottom's flat and I start moving that

1361
00:52:29,870 --> 00:52:28,260
through the air

1362
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,880
Bernoulli's Theorem says that will

1363
00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:32,160
create lift and now I have a flying wing

1364
00:52:37,370 --> 00:52:34,980
but in order to do that there's a lot of

1365
00:52:40,910 --> 00:52:37,380
mathematics on how fast I want it to go

1366
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,920
means how how swept back that Wing will

1367
00:52:46,430 --> 00:52:43,440
be in the triangle if I wanted to take

1368
00:52:48,829 --> 00:52:46,440
off on short runways then my wings are

1369
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,839
going to be straight across but if I

1370
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,700
don't if I don't care about speed and

1371
00:52:55,130 --> 00:52:52,800
I'm like okay 300 knots is as fast as I

1372
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,140
need to go we start getting up 500 600

1373
00:53:01,069 --> 00:52:58,160
700 Bach point eight Mach point nine

1374
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:01,079
mock now I have to start sweeping those

1375
00:53:06,109 --> 00:53:04,079
wings back in order to take advantage

1376
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:06,119
and be able to go fast through the air

1377
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:09,300
or you're just gonna over stress the

1378
00:53:13,910 --> 00:53:10,980
wings and trying to achieve that speed

1379
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:13,920
so there's all these things these craft

1380
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,440
it's not the the triangle shape that we

1381
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:18,240
can obviously we can fly triangles now

1382
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:19,740
because you guys have seen the stealth

1383
00:53:25,309 --> 00:53:22,020
fighter and you've seen the B2 bomber or

1384
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:25,319
triangles but they are a wing form and

1385
00:53:32,089 --> 00:53:30,720
the UFO craft is apparently not and it

1386
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:32,099
can just hover there so it doesn't

1387
00:53:40,250 --> 00:53:37,260
require the air in order to create lift

1388
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,260
like our like what aircraft do which is

1389
00:53:44,930 --> 00:53:42,660
why we call them aircraft and I call the

1390
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:44,940
other one craft

1391
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:47,220
um so and plus the fact of what we said

1392
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,720
David Marler said sometimes they're

1393
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:50,720
flying with the broad end

1394
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,000
uh facing in the direction of flight and

1395
00:53:57,530 --> 00:53:55,920
that goes completely against Bernoulli's

1396
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:57,540
Theorem right there that's not

1397
00:54:02,450 --> 00:53:59,640
aerodynamic that's not something that we

1398
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:02,460
would we would build

1399
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:04,800
um and and be able to utilize the air to

1400
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,660
create lift so there's that as far as

1401
00:54:10,849 --> 00:54:08,760
the lights are concerned I don't know

1402
00:54:13,790 --> 00:54:10,859
Frank but one of the hypothesis when you

1403
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:13,800
hear uh like Rick Doty just told the

1404
00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:15,960
story about how

1405
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:18,540
um basically it was out near Tonopah and

1406
00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:20,700
it was a family driving and to make a

1407
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:23,339
long story short they saw a craft that

1408
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:24,960
made them pull over on the side of the

1409
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:27,480
road they parked the car and they did

1410
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:28,800
what a lot of us would do if they saw

1411
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,780
the craft coming back toward them we

1412
00:54:35,329 --> 00:54:32,400
might exit the car and go and try and

1413
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:35,339
hide in the bush and they saw some sort

1414
00:54:39,049 --> 00:54:37,020
of a beam of light come out of the craft

1415
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,059
and then saw their young son and

1416
00:54:44,930 --> 00:54:41,760
daughter get drawn up into that that

1417
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,940
light and and into the craft floating up

1418
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:47,520
into the craft and the craft left and it

1419
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:50,460
was uh several hours later may have been

1420
00:54:56,030 --> 00:54:53,400
the next day they were found outside of

1421
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:56,040
Tonopah by a couple of security uh

1422
00:54:59,930 --> 00:54:57,960
police Personnel and then they got in

1423
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,940
with look you know obviously the family

1424
00:55:03,890 --> 00:55:02,160
reported to local law enforcement in and

1425
00:55:06,049 --> 00:55:03,900
the local law enforcement thought they

1426
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:06,059
had done something to the children but

1427
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:08,520
in any case they're returned so maybe

1428
00:55:13,490 --> 00:55:11,819
those lights have to do with uh like uh

1429
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,500
over where I'm from they've been seeing

1430
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:15,359
the light coming down into the reservoir

1431
00:55:19,970 --> 00:55:17,940
so then I would start to wonder okay

1432
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:19,980
that light obviously I I don't think

1433
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,300
they're just having a look at the fish

1434
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,520
so they're probably extracting something

1435
00:55:28,849 --> 00:55:26,099
from the reservoir what that is is open

1436
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:28,859
speculation I have no idea what they

1437
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,260
would be extracting from the water but

1438
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:34,140
uh but that's one thing and we've also

1439
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:36,720
seen them use it like I said to uh be

1440
00:55:42,650 --> 00:55:40,079
able to levitate people out of whatever

1441
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:42,660
uh structure they're in and up into the

1442
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:46,319
craft I think uh Mr Hixson and Parker

1443
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:50,220
spoke about that so um so that's my

1444
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,420
thought on it the other thing I was

1445
00:55:56,450 --> 00:55:53,760
going to say from Nathan's point that I

1446
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:56,460
find fascinating is the most interesting

1447
00:56:00,410 --> 00:55:58,260
experience and Nathan actually alluded

1448
00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:00,420
to a couple of them that either there

1449
00:56:04,490 --> 00:56:02,040
were beings that were being incubated

1450
00:56:07,549 --> 00:56:04,500
that there may be beings that were sort

1451
00:56:10,010 --> 00:56:07,559
of embalmed perhaps aboard that triangle

1452
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,020
but the most interesting experiences

1453
00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:13,440
reported by experiencers are the ones

1454
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:16,440
that have been taken aboard these huge

1455
00:56:21,410 --> 00:56:17,880
craft

1456
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,420
uh and so that right there makes them

1457
00:56:24,589 --> 00:56:23,040
real because now all of a sudden you're

1458
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:24,599
aboard a craft then it's not just you

1459
00:56:29,329 --> 00:56:26,940
alone uh you know Terry's seeing

1460
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:29,339
children he's hearing families he's

1461
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:30,900
hearing people scream he's hearing

1462
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:33,540
people cry he's hearing his his partner

1463
00:56:38,569 --> 00:56:35,220
talking to him but he can't turn his

1464
00:56:40,609 --> 00:56:38,579
head uh just his eyeballs are moving so

1465
00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,619
a lot of interesting experiences

1466
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:42,839
surround that I also wanted to mention

1467
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:44,220
to you I know this is probably the

1468
00:56:48,530 --> 00:56:47,160
longest I've talked on my show but

1469
00:56:52,010 --> 00:56:48,540
um I want to mention to you that

1470
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:52,020
tomorrow I'm interviewing a chef from my

1471
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:53,640
high school show that's about my

1472
00:56:59,569 --> 00:56:57,359
hometown my hometown I have uh I don't

1473
00:57:02,270 --> 00:56:59,579
know I don't have a count of just my

1474
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:02,280
hometown but probably five six seven

1475
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,200
different individuals have seen

1476
00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:07,200
triangular craft over our town and over

1477
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,240
Indian Point power plant the nuclear

1478
00:57:14,210 --> 00:57:11,520
power plant there so I'm interviewing

1479
00:57:15,650 --> 00:57:14,220
this Chef uh and I said he was a

1480
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:15,660
classmate of mine said Mark yeah we

1481
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:17,040
really want to have you on want to have

1482
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:18,540
you talk about chopped and food TV

1483
00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:21,420
network in your career and uh the CIA

1484
00:57:26,089 --> 00:57:23,819
Culinary Institute all that stuff and he

1485
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,099
said yeah I want to talk UFOs with you

1486
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,760
I'm like okay and he said yeah and he he

1487
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:31,859
told me this the supermarket he walked

1488
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:33,240
out of and the gas station he was

1489
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,760
walking over to and I can point I've

1490
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:38,400
walked these very steps that he did and

1491
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,680
he told me where he saw a huge

1492
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,440
triangular craft and I think the two

1493
00:57:48,950 --> 00:57:45,119
individuals working at the gas station

1494
00:57:51,170 --> 00:57:48,960
also saw it it was at night and

1495
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,180
um he was waiting for a ride home and it

1496
00:57:55,490 --> 00:57:53,040
just blew me away it's just another

1497
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:55,500
person that saw had a triangular craft

1498
00:58:00,109 --> 00:57:58,559
sighting uh from my hometown and this

1499
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:00,119
guy he's like yeah what do you think

1500
00:58:05,270 --> 00:58:03,180
about Philip Corso's book and uh you

1501
00:58:07,549 --> 00:58:05,280
know what about Dodie and Elizondo and

1502
00:58:09,470 --> 00:58:07,559
you know so we're gonna be talking UFOs

1503
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,480
tomorrow night on the on my high school

1504
00:58:14,089 --> 00:58:11,760
show so that's all I've got on that one

1505
00:58:18,589 --> 00:58:14,099
yes the CIA is The Culinary Institute of

1506
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:18,599
America Jewels so in New York

1507
00:58:22,730 --> 00:58:20,280
um and now said Frank mulberry's turn

1508
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:22,740
right it is unless anyone has a go back

1509
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:28,970
it's very I just want to say something

1510
00:58:32,569 --> 00:58:31,140
interesting about sorry I wouldn't say

1511
00:58:35,530 --> 00:58:32,579
something about the lights

1512
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:35,540
um as with all UAP it seems that um

1513
00:58:40,849 --> 00:58:39,000
sometimes they whoever they are they're

1514
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,859
not bothered about being seen

1515
00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:42,480
and then other times you know some of

1516
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,240
the reports I've read with the triangles

1517
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,799
like the large ones sometimes they're

1518
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,720
they're moving around slowly and they're

1519
00:58:52,250 --> 00:58:50,160
shining lights on the ground or they're

1520
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:52,260
very lightly lit and then other times

1521
00:58:56,089 --> 00:58:54,839
they pass over people and people look up

1522
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:56,099
and they think they're looking at the

1523
00:58:59,329 --> 00:58:57,059
stars because there's some kind of

1524
00:59:01,010 --> 00:58:59,339
Electro Optical camouflage so they're

1525
00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:01,020
seeing as if they're seeing through the

1526
00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:03,180
object but it's you know the images from

1527
00:59:06,410 --> 00:59:04,380
above the object which is being

1528
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:06,420
reflected from the bottom of the

1529
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:08,520
triangle so I find that intriguing as

1530
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:09,900
well that sometimes they have the

1531
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:11,400
signature management and then other

1532
00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,140
times they just basically couldn't kill

1533
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:15,900
us so that that's intriguing as well

1534
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,400
um but obviously

1535
00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:18,960
you know just going about whatever

1536
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:20,940
they're doing with impunity I mean um

1537
00:59:24,170 --> 00:59:22,920
without a care in the world it seems but

1538
00:59:25,970 --> 00:59:24,180
other times they want to hide what

1539
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:25,980
they're doing as with other UAP and I

1540
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:27,960
always find that intriguing you know why

1541
00:59:32,089 --> 00:59:30,180
sometimes they want to be seen sometimes

1542
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,099
uh they're quite happy to play around

1543
00:59:36,349 --> 00:59:34,319
with you know US Navy Fighters or

1544
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:36,359
whatever it is and other times they they

1545
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:43,130
that would be really fascinating if

1546
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:46,140
there was uh even a rain graves-like

1547
00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:49,500
report of uh of them seeing a triangle

1548
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:51,780
that was you know aircraft carrier size

1549
00:59:55,970 --> 00:59:54,540
or whatever that would be that would be

1550
00:59:58,490 --> 00:59:55,980
really interesting if we had one of

1551
01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:58,500
those uh that would be game changing in

1552
01:00:05,750 --> 01:00:01,980
a way and it would open certain doors

1553
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,760
that the Tic Tac has yet to open I think

1554
01:00:09,470 --> 01:00:08,160
but uh Frank you you have would you have

1555
01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:09,480
a topic you would like us all to

1556
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:11,400
consider unless there's any go backs on

1557
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:18,950
sorry are you talking to me yeah

1558
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:21,420
yeah no I mean what I wanted to talk

1559
01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:22,559
about is what we've talked about uh

1560
01:00:26,930 --> 01:00:24,780
already about the um in the so-called

1561
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:26,940
whistleblower Amendment and protection

1562
01:00:29,569 --> 01:00:28,440
for for people coming forward I mean

1563
01:00:31,250 --> 01:00:29,579
that was really what I was going to

1564
01:00:32,930 --> 01:00:31,260
bring to the party tonight but happy to

1565
01:00:35,569 --> 01:00:32,940
talk about anything else happy to to

1566
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:35,579
listen and chime in with anybody else

1567
01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:37,980
all right I'm going to money Nathan well

1568
01:00:42,470 --> 01:00:39,960
I'm going to jump in on what you were I

1569
01:00:44,210 --> 01:00:42,480
I I'm gonna go into what Frank just

1570
01:00:47,030 --> 01:00:44,220
brought up so I think it is an

1571
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,040
interesting uh point of conversation so

1572
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:49,680
uh you know this

1573
01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:53,760
notion that they they do want to be seen

1574
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:56,099
and and almost at least with the Navy

1575
01:00:59,630 --> 01:00:57,420
encounters that we have there's there's

1576
01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:59,640
an element of even kind of

1577
01:01:03,470 --> 01:01:01,980
I would say if I'm anthropomorphizing it

1578
01:01:07,190 --> 01:01:03,480
there's an element of human playfulness

1579
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:07,200
there uh not just to be seen But to be

1580
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:09,660
noticed to be understood to be acting

1581
01:01:15,289 --> 01:01:12,180
under intelligent control to give

1582
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:15,299
opportunity to observe like these aren't

1583
01:01:19,430 --> 01:01:17,339
for for

1584
01:01:21,530 --> 01:01:19,440
whatever it happens to be that seems to

1585
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:21,540
possess the incredible technology that

1586
01:01:26,329 --> 01:01:24,540
could could decide not to be observed uh

1587
01:01:29,750 --> 01:01:26,339
the fact that it takes time to be

1588
01:01:33,049 --> 01:01:29,760
observed is is quite interesting and in

1589
01:01:35,390 --> 01:01:33,059
and of itself and you know I I tend to

1590
01:01:39,289 --> 01:01:35,400
wonder you know we hear a lot about

1591
01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:39,299
um this kind of ramp up in activity uh

1592
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:41,700
we've heard recently uh from some folks

1593
01:01:45,530 --> 01:01:43,440
in the Ukraine even that you know said

1594
01:01:48,589 --> 01:01:45,540
that they had been monitoring the skies

1595
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:48,599
above uh above Ukraine and you know have

1596
01:01:53,210 --> 01:01:50,880
noticed that there were a lot of uh

1597
01:01:55,010 --> 01:01:53,220
uh unexplained phenomena happening in

1598
01:01:57,890 --> 01:01:55,020
the sky there

1599
01:02:00,049 --> 01:01:57,900
um but a lot of this uptick in activity

1600
01:02:04,190 --> 01:02:00,059
seems to be happening in areas of

1601
01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:04,200
conflict or areas where uh we have um

1602
01:02:08,329 --> 01:02:05,700
you know some sort of operational

1603
01:02:09,950 --> 01:02:08,339
presence uh or or greater sensor

1604
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,960
platforms or what have you not

1605
01:02:13,490 --> 01:02:11,280
everywhere as you've pointed out DJ

1606
01:02:14,630 --> 01:02:13,500
there are certainly areas that uh we

1607
01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:14,640
have a lot of sensors where we don't

1608
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:16,260
pick up anything at all but you know the

1609
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:18,180
point being there seems to be this kind

1610
01:02:20,809 --> 01:02:19,260
of uh

1611
01:02:24,170 --> 01:02:20,819
I don't know if it's quite cat and mouse

1612
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,180
but there seems to be this uh attempt to

1613
01:02:29,289 --> 01:02:26,400
disclose a little bit about what what

1614
01:02:32,510 --> 01:02:29,299
they are or a curiosity perhaps or

1615
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:32,520
wanting to engage with us on some level

1616
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:35,040
but for what purpose I mean that is

1617
01:02:38,270 --> 01:02:36,480
something we obviously can could really

1618
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,280
go into a great deal of speculation what

1619
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:40,319
is the purpose of giving us the

1620
01:02:44,750 --> 01:02:43,260
opportunity to observe is it to uh for

1621
01:02:46,730 --> 01:02:44,760
whatever reason accelerate the

1622
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,740
conversation is it uh I mean if you

1623
01:02:50,690 --> 01:02:48,720
think about Nimitz and you know Frank

1624
01:02:52,849 --> 01:02:50,700
beard you mentioned this earlier you

1625
01:02:54,770 --> 01:02:52,859
know Nimitz is this you know seminal

1626
01:02:56,750 --> 01:02:54,780
case it so much of what we're talking

1627
01:02:58,970 --> 01:02:56,760
about now hinges on how good that case

1628
01:03:01,789 --> 01:02:58,980
happens to be if you look at that case

1629
01:03:03,710 --> 01:03:01,799
it's it's like just in looking back on

1630
01:03:05,930 --> 01:03:03,720
it it's like intelligently designed to

1631
01:03:07,849 --> 01:03:05,940
be a great case you know it has all of

1632
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:07,859
the Hallmarks that have you know really

1633
01:03:12,170 --> 01:03:10,020
kick-started a lot of this conversation

1634
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:12,180
or boosted it is a better way to put it

1635
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:14,760
uh in our current time so

1636
01:03:19,250 --> 01:03:17,160
if if I try to take a macroscopic view

1637
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:19,260
and I'd like to get your thoughts on

1638
01:03:25,609 --> 01:03:22,559
this uh um Frank beard and then uh Frank

1639
01:03:27,170 --> 01:03:25,619
Milburn in in a what would we are there

1640
01:03:29,630 --> 01:03:27,180
any sort of conclusions we could we

1641
01:03:31,069 --> 01:03:29,640
could draw from these these overall

1642
01:03:34,430 --> 01:03:31,079
patterns you know is there something

1643
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:34,440
that you think uh is telling about the

1644
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:36,900
behavior in and of itself with these

1645
01:03:40,849 --> 01:03:38,220
situations

1646
01:03:42,589 --> 01:03:40,859
with triangles in particular no I think

1647
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:42,599
just any of the encounters that we have

1648
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,700
and this issue of Signal Management and

1649
01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:46,559
engagement

1650
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:50,040
well yeah I think like with the with the

1651
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:51,720
with the triangles just to kind of start

1652
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:54,900
on that and there has been various

1653
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:56,880
different ideas put forward like we were

1654
01:04:00,650 --> 01:03:58,619
talking about Terry Lovelace and the the

1655
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,660
possibility of like hybridization

1656
01:04:03,770 --> 01:04:03,119
programs and things like that

1657
01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:03,780
um

1658
01:04:08,450 --> 01:04:05,880
you know and and there's been mapping

1659
01:04:10,910 --> 01:04:08,460
our surveying has also been suggested as

1660
01:04:14,089 --> 01:04:10,920
a possible like mission that these

1661
01:04:15,470 --> 01:04:14,099
things are on but you know like I've

1662
01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:15,480
thought about those long and hard and

1663
01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:18,180
neither of them really sort of make a

1664
01:04:21,530 --> 01:04:19,559
great deal of sense because I mean if

1665
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:21,540
you were going to map something

1666
01:04:24,770 --> 01:04:22,559
um and I think

1667
01:04:26,210 --> 01:04:24,780
um Frank we we've talked about this a

1668
01:04:27,770 --> 01:04:26,220
little bit as well if you're going to

1669
01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:27,780
map something even we have the

1670
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:29,760
capability to map something from space

1671
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:31,619
now so it seems almost like a bit

1672
01:04:37,370 --> 01:04:33,900
primitive to have a huge object that has

1673
01:04:39,349 --> 01:04:37,380
to fly really slowly really low to the

1674
01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:39,359
ground you know we can map things better

1675
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,160
than that so like it doesn't seem like

1676
01:04:45,530 --> 01:04:43,440
that works for me as an explanation and

1677
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:45,540
the hybrid thing sort of could make

1678
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:46,980
sense especially if people have actually

1679
01:04:51,349 --> 01:04:49,260
been on board craft and seen Vats full

1680
01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:51,359
of kind of embryos and stuff but even

1681
01:04:56,030 --> 01:04:53,819
then sure they would cloak and and this

1682
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,040
goes to what you were saying Nathan it's

1683
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:58,319
like you know it almost seems like they

1684
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:01,740
have the capability to be silent and not

1685
01:05:05,930 --> 01:05:04,380
observed as in not have the lights on I

1686
01:05:07,730 --> 01:05:05,940
mean I've personally spoke to a few

1687
01:05:10,370 --> 01:05:07,740
people who have had completely

1688
01:05:13,010 --> 01:05:10,380
unambiguous sightings of enormous black

1689
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:13,020
triangles with no lights whatsoever and

1690
01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:15,480
it just just so happens that they you

1691
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:17,460
know caught on the reflection of the

1692
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:18,720
street lights and things so they

1693
01:05:23,150 --> 01:05:20,819
actually saw it but like so they appear

1694
01:05:25,490 --> 01:05:23,160
to be able to move silently and without

1695
01:05:27,470 --> 01:05:25,500
any lights whatsoever so the question

1696
01:05:30,829 --> 01:05:27,480
kind of comes up are they specifically

1697
01:05:32,210 --> 01:05:30,839
trying to be seen and and again one of

1698
01:05:34,370 --> 01:05:32,220
the things that's that's quite

1699
01:05:36,829 --> 01:05:34,380
interesting about looking at black

1700
01:05:39,109 --> 01:05:36,839
triangle cases is that the one thing

1701
01:05:41,329 --> 01:05:39,119
that does tend to vary the most is

1702
01:05:43,250 --> 01:05:41,339
actually the configuration of lights so

1703
01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:43,260
some of them have many lights going down

1704
01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:45,299
the side some of them have the three the

1705
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:46,980
most common is obviously the three the

1706
01:05:49,849 --> 01:05:48,480
three corners the extremities of the

1707
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:49,859
triangle some of them have a big light

1708
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:51,839
in the middle some of them have colored

1709
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:53,040
lights some of them have lights that

1710
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:54,960
move and it's almost as though they're

1711
01:06:00,049 --> 01:05:57,780
trying to be be seen you know and and it

1712
01:06:02,569 --> 01:06:00,059
also going back to the the signature

1713
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,579
management thing it made me think of um

1714
01:06:06,410 --> 01:06:04,559
what Dr Gary Nolan was talking about

1715
01:06:08,809 --> 01:06:06,420
recently on the Tucker Carlson interview

1716
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,819
with the case of um

1717
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:10,079
with a couple of people I think it was

1718
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:12,540
in France I forget the details whether

1719
01:06:15,829 --> 01:06:14,460
they'd seen a huge this wasn't a

1720
01:06:17,690 --> 01:06:15,839
triangle I think I think it was a disc

1721
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:17,700
actually but they'd taken a photograph

1722
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:19,380
of it and then when they actually

1723
01:06:23,089 --> 01:06:21,119
checked the photograph it was wasn't

1724
01:06:25,490 --> 01:06:23,099
what they observed with the naked eye at

1725
01:06:27,710 --> 01:06:25,500
all it was it was like a star shape

1726
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:27,720
and he sort of makes you wonder with

1727
01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,280
triangles are they even actually

1728
01:06:32,750 --> 01:06:30,960
triangles at all or are they actually

1729
01:06:34,910 --> 01:06:32,760
sort of doing some kind of manipulation

1730
01:06:37,789 --> 01:06:34,920
of Consciousness to appear like a

1731
01:06:40,069 --> 01:06:37,799
triangle because even the shape of a

1732
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:40,079
massive black triangle is almost

1733
01:06:46,370 --> 01:06:43,020
designed to be ominous and when you add

1734
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:46,380
to that the varying lights is it some

1735
01:06:52,910 --> 01:06:48,900
kind of a messaging you know be

1736
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,410
do I get to go next

1737
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:58,970
yes okay I'm excited about this because

1738
01:07:01,970 --> 01:07:00,420
I literally wrote down the word

1739
01:07:04,089 --> 01:07:01,980
communication while we were talking

1740
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:04,099
about this because that's what Lou said

1741
01:07:10,490 --> 01:07:08,160
even if we can't understand what they're

1742
01:07:12,349 --> 01:07:10,500
doing coming up and being right in our

1743
01:07:15,049 --> 01:07:12,359
face is sort of like a type of

1744
01:07:17,329 --> 01:07:15,059
communication right it's like waving and

1745
01:07:19,010 --> 01:07:17,339
it's very possible even with these

1746
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,020
lights that they are trying to

1747
01:07:24,829 --> 01:07:20,880
communicate something

1748
01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:24,839
um maybe even trying to look like our

1749
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:27,480
craft with the lights is a way that

1750
01:07:31,789 --> 01:07:28,799
they're trying to communicate something

1751
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:31,799
and we just do not understand it's a

1752
01:07:37,069 --> 01:07:34,260
possibility and it should be considered

1753
01:07:39,170 --> 01:07:37,079
that something about what they're doing

1754
01:07:42,230 --> 01:07:39,180
physically and when they come in our

1755
01:07:44,809 --> 01:07:42,240
faces communication of some kind and

1756
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:44,819
also it could also just very much be

1757
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,240
like what filet says a game of chess you

1758
01:07:53,089 --> 01:07:50,400
know like he thinks that we're being

1759
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:53,099
guided on a certain path and I found out

1760
01:07:56,890 --> 01:07:55,500
because I'm reading passport to mcgona

1761
01:08:00,650 --> 01:07:56,900
to today

1762
01:08:03,410 --> 01:08:00,660
that it may not be his idea that this

1763
01:08:05,870 --> 01:08:03,420
idea has been around for a while

1764
01:08:10,490 --> 01:08:08,690
that's a good that's a good one uh Debs

1765
01:08:12,650 --> 01:08:10,500
I mean Lou did that he said it's

1766
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,660
communication it's kind of like when

1767
01:08:16,610 --> 01:08:14,160
Nathan was visiting with those

1768
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:16,620
Aboriginal tribes they're reaching for

1769
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:18,900
his face and he thinks they want to

1770
01:08:23,209 --> 01:08:20,160
touch his face but they really want his

1771
01:08:24,410 --> 01:08:23,219
sunglasses and it just he didn't get it

1772
01:08:27,169 --> 01:08:24,420
right away but you know it was

1773
01:08:28,910 --> 01:08:27,179
communication you know yeah and once you

1774
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:28,920
gave up your Ray-Bans everything was

1775
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:30,359
good you and your family were allowed to

1776
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:32,400
leave is all right it sounds like the

1777
01:08:36,169 --> 01:08:34,140
Ewoks and Han Solo and the whole nine

1778
01:08:38,829 --> 01:08:36,179
yards in Luke yes it's a cool style no

1779
01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:38,839
matter where you are yeah

1780
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:43,140
even out in the bush that's right but

1781
01:08:48,349 --> 01:08:46,380
um no I I was going to uh well actually

1782
01:08:50,030 --> 01:08:48,359
I have a I have a question for Nathan so

1783
01:08:51,769 --> 01:08:50,040
I want to give this over to Frank

1784
01:08:53,689 --> 01:08:51,779
Milburn to ask that question and then

1785
01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:53,699
I'm gonna I'm gonna go with mine we've

1786
01:08:57,769 --> 01:08:55,100
got about

1787
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:57,779
uh you know about 15 minutes 20 minutes

1788
01:09:02,390 --> 01:08:59,520
left or so

1789
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,400
cool so we want Frank to to drop in on

1790
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:04,080
that that conversation so Frank yeah

1791
01:09:09,530 --> 01:09:07,440
Frank what do you think about uh this

1792
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:09,540
look at me don't look at me capability

1793
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:17,269
foreign basis

1794
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:18,719
um if you're looking at for example

1795
01:09:22,490 --> 01:09:20,880
Nimitz I have to ask well

1796
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,500
why

1797
01:09:25,430 --> 01:09:24,000
these vehicles okay if you're talking

1798
01:09:29,150 --> 01:09:25,440
Tic Tacs they're intelligently

1799
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:29,160
controlled uh they must have sensors to

1800
01:09:31,729 --> 01:09:30,420
know where they are in time and space

1801
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,739
right to be able to get around whether

1802
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:32,880
they're piloted or whether they're

1803
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:34,920
autonomous so why would you interject

1804
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:38,460
yourself into like a major exercise uh

1805
01:09:41,209 --> 01:09:39,359
where you have you know a

1806
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:41,219
nuclear-powered you know carrier strike

1807
01:09:44,809 --> 01:09:41,940
group

1808
01:09:47,150 --> 01:09:44,819
um you know gearing up for war and

1809
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:47,160
I would ask the same thing about um you

1810
01:09:51,470 --> 01:09:49,980
know the Tehran case in 1976 which was a

1811
01:09:53,329 --> 01:09:51,480
major cold or hot spot you know that

1812
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:53,339
that border between Iran and the former

1813
01:09:57,050 --> 01:09:54,960
Soviet Union and you know with the

1814
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:57,060
Americans there obviously giving the

1815
01:10:00,169 --> 01:09:58,560
Iranians you know the latest kit the

1816
01:10:01,850 --> 01:10:00,179
latest Sidewinders the latest you know

1817
01:10:04,430 --> 01:10:01,860
uh you know Phantoms and then send it

1818
01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:04,440
selling them f-14s

1819
01:10:08,150 --> 01:10:06,120
um you know that whole border was like

1820
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:08,160
lit up in terms of uh you know

1821
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:09,480
electronic intelligence you know

1822
01:10:12,050 --> 01:10:10,800
Communications and singing it would have

1823
01:10:15,169 --> 01:10:12,060
been lit up like a Christmas tree right

1824
01:10:18,290 --> 01:10:15,179
in the 1970s and then you know the the

1825
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,300
the this UFO not only interjects itself

1826
01:10:22,970 --> 01:10:20,219
into this sort of Highly contested uh

1827
01:10:26,090 --> 01:10:22,980
area of potential human conflict but it

1828
01:10:27,530 --> 01:10:26,100
also uh you know detaches and all which

1829
01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:27,540
um the you know the pilot the second

1830
01:10:30,709 --> 01:10:28,980
Phantom thinks that it is a missile

1831
01:10:33,050 --> 01:10:30,719
streaking towards it and then when he

1832
01:10:34,970 --> 01:10:33,060
goes to launch his own weapons

1833
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:34,980
um it freezes up and his communication

1834
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,199
is back to base are frozen he's into con

1835
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:39,120
with it with his uh wiz over

1836
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,719
um you know go out so

1837
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:45,360
if that were I mean when you have you

1838
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:47,340
know a British you know British warships

1839
01:10:51,290 --> 01:10:49,800
in the Black Sea or or American warships

1840
01:10:53,149 --> 01:10:51,300
in the Taiwan Strait and they're

1841
01:10:55,370 --> 01:10:53,159
confronted or they're buzzed by you know

1842
01:10:56,750 --> 01:10:55,380
Russian or Chinese aircraft you know

1843
01:10:59,630 --> 01:10:56,760
that that's a very clear signal right

1844
01:11:02,330 --> 01:10:59,640
and and it's a hostile signal

1845
01:11:03,169 --> 01:11:02,340
um so I I have to ask myself in that

1846
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:03,179
case

1847
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,120
why are these objects if they're so far

1848
01:11:08,689 --> 01:11:07,679
Advanced of anything that we have and

1849
01:11:10,910 --> 01:11:08,699
they're obviously intelligently

1850
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,920
controlled or remotely controlled then

1851
01:11:15,410 --> 01:11:12,719
why are they engaging in these games

1852
01:11:17,689 --> 01:11:15,420
with um you know in areas of high

1853
01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:17,699
tension with you know with military

1854
01:11:21,950 --> 01:11:20,040
forces uh you know from whichever

1855
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:21,960
country that's the question I asked

1856
01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:24,600
myself and you know sometimes it seems

1857
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,340
playful but other times you know it's

1858
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:28,080
been fatal like with you know The Mantel

1859
01:11:34,729 --> 01:11:32,400
case in 1947 or uh 1957 with Milton

1860
01:11:36,770 --> 01:11:34,739
Torres you know that uh f-86 pilot

1861
01:11:38,750 --> 01:11:36,780
American pilot in the UK who was

1862
01:11:41,390 --> 01:11:38,760
basically directed to take off by by the

1863
01:11:43,250 --> 01:11:41,400
RAF and to shoot down an object over the

1864
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:43,260
UK so

1865
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:44,699
you know why do they interject

1866
01:11:48,110 --> 01:11:46,440
themselves you know the UAP the

1867
01:11:49,250 --> 01:11:48,120
intelligence behind them into areas of

1868
01:11:51,290 --> 01:11:49,260
high tension

1869
01:11:53,330 --> 01:11:51,300
um to me and also the whole you know

1870
01:11:55,729 --> 01:11:53,340
nuclear thing and shutting down nukes or

1871
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:55,739
initiating nukes or flying over nukes or

1872
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:57,900
you know um renderson Forest Brent

1873
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,280
Waters where they're Illuminating you

1874
01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:01,440
know weapon storage areas nuclear weapon

1875
01:12:04,130 --> 01:12:02,760
storage areas which they always seem to

1876
01:12:05,149 --> 01:12:04,140
be interested in

1877
01:12:06,290 --> 01:12:05,159
um to me that's like you know

1878
01:12:07,729 --> 01:12:06,300
intelligent surveillance and

1879
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:07,739
reconnaissance

1880
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:10,440
um at from from an anthropomorphic point

1881
01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:12,719
of view and if they are so intelligent

1882
01:12:17,450 --> 01:12:14,760
would they not understand

1883
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:17,460
our understanding of their Intentions by

1884
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,400
their doing those Acts

1885
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,320
I was going to say exactly what what

1886
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:24,719
Frank said is um

1887
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:27,120
that our definition which doesn't

1888
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:28,920
necessarily apply to them we could try

1889
01:12:33,169 --> 01:12:30,360
to apply it to them that's why he said

1890
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,179
from an anthropomorphic perspective that

1891
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:35,760
what they're doing in some cases looks

1892
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:37,760
like surveillance to us reconnaissance

1893
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:40,020
intelligence gathering

1894
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:41,520
um we don't know that that's what it is

1895
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:43,679
but that that's that's what we come up

1896
01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:46,860
with the second thing is some of this

1897
01:12:52,130 --> 01:12:49,260
issue that I've seen that has to do with

1898
01:12:54,410 --> 01:12:52,140
tic tacs and orbs over the ocean there's

1899
01:12:57,050 --> 01:12:54,420
something to do with the ocean that

1900
01:12:58,729 --> 01:12:57,060
they're able to that they want to

1901
01:13:00,910 --> 01:12:58,739
interact with the ocean and we just

1902
01:13:04,010 --> 01:13:00,920
don't know what that is the government

1903
01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:04,020
actually might know a little bit about

1904
01:13:10,669 --> 01:13:08,520
that uh if not in total they may be able

1905
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:10,679
to tell us that they've seen them

1906
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,239
extract something but they just don't

1907
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:14,640
know what they're able to do with it the

1908
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:16,380
other thing let me see I wrote down

1909
01:13:25,130 --> 01:13:21,830
um sourcing you know there there's some

1910
01:13:26,450 --> 01:13:25,140
sort of uh sourcing going on but we just

1911
01:13:28,130 --> 01:13:26,460
you know that that's what I would call

1912
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:28,140
it but I just don't know I don't know

1913
01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:30,000
why that is

1914
01:13:35,689 --> 01:13:33,239
um we did Ask Gary uh excuse me we asked

1915
01:13:39,050 --> 01:13:35,699
Kevin day if he thought that they could

1916
01:13:40,030 --> 01:13:39,060
have spoofed or

1917
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,040
um

1918
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:42,239
obscured themselves from the Spy one

1919
01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:44,100
radar from that phased array radar and

1920
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:46,980
he said he didn't know but from Nathan's

1921
01:13:51,169 --> 01:13:49,380
point you know hey they showed up and

1922
01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:51,179
did whatever they wanted to do with

1923
01:13:57,050 --> 01:13:54,179
impunity uh with that radar on them did

1924
01:13:59,090 --> 01:13:57,060
they detect that radar and know that

1925
01:14:01,370 --> 01:13:59,100
they were being that they were being

1926
01:14:03,370 --> 01:14:01,380
surveilled by that radar

1927
01:14:07,370 --> 01:14:03,380
it's hard to I would think that they did

1928
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:07,380
uh I know I I have a pretty good idea

1929
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:10,800
that when Chad Underwood uh turned on

1930
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:13,560
his targeting radar that they knew that

1931
01:14:17,090 --> 01:14:15,239
that was happening because that's when

1932
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:17,100
they jammed his radar

1933
01:14:22,070 --> 01:14:19,199
there's also the issue of emitters

1934
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:22,080
there's certain things that if Frank and

1935
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:23,400
I were to look at an aircraft we'd say

1936
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:24,719
oh that's an admit that's an emitter

1937
01:14:29,689 --> 01:14:26,580
right there for ew

1938
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,699
and that's a sensor right there and

1939
01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:31,199
that's another thing that leads us to

1940
01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:33,960
believe that this technology is so many

1941
01:14:37,790 --> 01:14:36,300
generations past us is that when you

1942
01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,800
look at it you know it has that

1943
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,420
capability but it doesn't have any

1944
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:41,760
emitters and it doesn't have any sensors

1945
01:14:47,330 --> 01:14:43,920
that are hanging off it and we don't

1946
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,340
have the ability to do what we do with

1947
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:49,440
sensors without having something visible

1948
01:14:53,810 --> 01:14:51,780
on the outside of the craft apart from

1949
01:14:56,510 --> 01:14:53,820
radar of course radar sits inside a

1950
01:14:59,149 --> 01:14:56,520
radome so they must be using something

1951
01:15:02,390 --> 01:14:59,159
that's probably like that but much much

1952
01:15:04,970 --> 01:15:02,400
better and then as far as jamming we

1953
01:15:08,810 --> 01:15:04,980
have to have in a emitter that that does

1954
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:08,820
that that job as well that can can jam

1955
01:15:15,950 --> 01:15:12,420
radar and throw off the position of uh

1956
01:15:17,810 --> 01:15:15,960
of targeting radar so anyway uh yeah

1957
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,820
that's all I have on that topic it looks

1958
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:19,199
like they're sourcing and it certainly

1959
01:15:25,729 --> 01:15:21,960
looks like ISR but that's just putting a

1960
01:15:29,630 --> 01:15:27,770
um Nathan I got one for you Frank had

1961
01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:29,640
his hand up real quick oh sir yes please

1962
01:15:32,149 --> 01:15:30,780
sir

1963
01:15:33,890 --> 01:15:32,159
yeah I just want to say sorry quickly

1964
01:15:35,630 --> 01:15:33,900
that was very good about um a very good

1965
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:35,640
point about the emitters I mean you know

1966
01:15:38,689 --> 01:15:37,080
I can understand you know like you know

1967
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,699
the Americans flying you know they want

1968
01:15:42,410 --> 01:15:40,320
to go into contested airspace or the

1969
01:15:45,530 --> 01:15:42,420
Brits and they have you know dedicated

1970
01:15:47,870 --> 01:15:45,540
ew aircraft and you know they use things

1971
01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:47,880
like Nemesis they launch drones which

1972
01:15:52,250 --> 01:15:49,620
you know cause you know radar spoofing

1973
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:52,260
and everything else right but

1974
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:54,060
where was that happening in relation to

1975
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,640
the Nimitz and you know you're talking I

1976
01:15:59,810 --> 01:15:58,320
mean even 2004 right so incredibly

1977
01:16:02,570 --> 01:15:59,820
sophisticated they had incredibly

1978
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:02,580
sophisticated uh you know ew Suites and

1979
01:16:08,689 --> 01:16:04,199
Country W Suites you know on those

1980
01:16:10,729 --> 01:16:08,699
vessels so was it was it something you

1981
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:10,739
know Electronics something scientific or

1982
01:16:15,050 --> 01:16:13,679
was it something uh in terms of

1983
01:16:16,669 --> 01:16:15,060
Consciousness that you know people's

1984
01:16:18,830 --> 01:16:16,679
minds were being spoofed and and

1985
01:16:20,570 --> 01:16:18,840
Technology was being spoofed by

1986
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:20,580
something that that you can't even

1987
01:16:23,630 --> 01:16:21,780
detect

1988
01:16:25,729 --> 01:16:23,640
um that's what really boggles my mind

1989
01:16:26,990 --> 01:16:25,739
because I looked at Nemesis I looked at

1990
01:16:28,370 --> 01:16:27,000
other things and I talked to Kevin Day

1991
01:16:30,530 --> 01:16:28,380
about this and he was kind of like bro

1992
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,540
you know we were so far out to see right

1993
01:16:34,430 --> 01:16:31,920
and then it's not like they were like

1994
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:34,440
you know uh Russian or Chinese you know

1995
01:16:38,270 --> 01:16:36,300
long-range aircraft with the ew

1996
01:16:40,850 --> 01:16:38,280
capabilities like you know um you know

1997
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:40,860
loitering around in the area so

1998
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,159
how would that spoofing have occurred

1999
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,800
that's it that's all I wanted to say

2000
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:48,960
yeah that's an and that's an endless

2001
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:51,840
Trevor Treasure Trove of uh of

2002
01:16:56,689 --> 01:16:54,480
interesting uh uh analysis and

2003
01:16:58,250 --> 01:16:56,699
hypothesis uh which is why Frank's able

2004
01:17:00,890 --> 01:16:58,260
to keep going on it because there's so

2005
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:00,900
much so much there the gift that keeps

2006
01:17:04,010 --> 01:17:02,520
on giving

2007
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:04,020
um Nathan

2008
01:17:12,709 --> 01:17:05,760
um

2009
01:17:14,390 --> 01:17:12,719
uh the various intelligences the

2010
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:14,400
compromise the phenomenon the universe

2011
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:15,960
and consciousness

2012
01:17:22,610 --> 01:17:18,780
what is that is that God what is that

2013
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,620
what is that one force was that a person

2014
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:24,960
what was what is that Force

2015
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:27,000
well that's a big one

2016
01:17:31,010 --> 01:17:29,520
um yeah we're going we figured we just

2017
01:17:33,850 --> 01:17:31,020
give you a softball to knock it out of

2018
01:17:36,169 --> 01:17:33,860
the park right now we're going big uh

2019
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:36,179
yeah these are that's an excellent

2020
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,199
question

2021
01:17:43,070 --> 01:17:39,120
um it is um

2022
01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:43,080
it's a challenging one uh I you know and

2023
01:17:46,729 --> 01:17:44,280
this this has certainly been talked

2024
01:17:48,830 --> 01:17:46,739
about in different circles that that we

2025
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:48,840
traffic in you know kind of where does

2026
01:17:55,550 --> 01:17:51,360
Humanity come from

2027
01:17:57,709 --> 01:17:55,560
um are we an experiment are we

2028
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,719
um you know kind of a modified uh

2029
01:18:02,209 --> 01:17:59,760
species that was native to this planet

2030
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:02,219
is Humanity perhaps

2031
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:04,800
ubiquitous throughout the Universe uh

2032
01:18:09,530 --> 01:18:06,900
you know are we kind of the the

2033
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,540
Primitive Backwater for you know sort of

2034
01:18:14,090 --> 01:18:11,520
human development for whatever reason

2035
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:14,100
and maybe they're they're humans that

2036
01:18:18,169 --> 01:18:16,080
are kind of everywhere uh wouldn't that

2037
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,179
be an interesting Discovery and in fact

2038
01:18:22,990 --> 01:18:20,040
if you look at the data itself from

2039
01:18:26,209 --> 01:18:23,000
people that have experiences uh you know

2040
01:18:30,110 --> 01:18:26,219
experiencing human-like beings is one of

2041
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:30,120
the most common interactions uh so that

2042
01:18:34,490 --> 01:18:32,340
raises a whole host of questions is that

2043
01:18:35,810 --> 01:18:34,500
are they appearing to be human just to

2044
01:18:39,169 --> 01:18:35,820
make us more comfortable are they

2045
01:18:40,790 --> 01:18:39,179
actually human uh are they related to us

2046
01:18:43,189 --> 01:18:40,800
in some form or fashion do they have a

2047
01:18:45,169 --> 01:18:43,199
hand in our development

2048
01:18:47,330 --> 01:18:45,179
um you know so I don't necessarily know

2049
01:18:50,270 --> 01:18:47,340
the answer to that to that big question

2050
01:18:52,970 --> 01:18:50,280
although I would say that you know from

2051
01:18:56,209 --> 01:18:52,980
my perspective on on Consciousness and

2052
01:18:58,689 --> 01:18:56,219
and it being fundamental to reality at

2053
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:58,699
the root level all of intelligence

2054
01:19:05,570 --> 01:19:01,739
derives from this Consciousness layer

2055
01:19:07,370 --> 01:19:05,580
and so the emergence of intelligent

2056
01:19:09,950 --> 01:19:07,380
beings is just something which

2057
01:19:14,689 --> 01:19:09,960
Consciousness does you know that it is

2058
01:19:18,590 --> 01:19:14,699
not content to be a singular sort of

2059
01:19:20,810 --> 01:19:18,600
state that it is a little bit disturbed

2060
01:19:23,870 --> 01:19:20,820
in a way and in its disturbance it

2061
01:19:26,330 --> 01:19:23,880
creates these individuated conscious

2062
01:19:29,330 --> 01:19:26,340
agents to borrow a term from Donald

2063
01:19:31,310 --> 01:19:29,340
Hoffman you know so no matter what these

2064
01:19:33,649 --> 01:19:31,320
sort of intelligences and ended up end

2065
01:19:35,870 --> 01:19:33,659
up looking like or behaving or you know

2066
01:19:38,450 --> 01:19:35,880
where they end up being in the universe

2067
01:19:40,930 --> 01:19:38,460
they are just emergent uh sort of

2068
01:19:43,250 --> 01:19:40,940
fractal versions of this larger

2069
01:19:46,090 --> 01:19:43,260
conscious entity

2070
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:46,100
um so we're in that way we are all

2071
01:19:50,810 --> 01:19:48,420
interrelated to one another you know we

2072
01:19:54,770 --> 01:19:50,820
all stem and come from the same

2073
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:54,780
ultimately the same source and I think

2074
01:19:59,930 --> 01:19:58,080
at least for me that that's the most um

2075
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,940
you know romantic and compelling

2076
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,640
narrative that I apply to this generally

2077
01:20:07,010 --> 01:20:04,800
because you know at the end of the day

2078
01:20:09,890 --> 01:20:07,020
uh whether

2079
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,900
we discover you know it's it's it's this

2080
01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:11,760
being or that being or this whole host

2081
01:20:14,930 --> 01:20:12,900
of beings

2082
01:20:17,390 --> 01:20:14,940
well I mean we're we're all still in

2083
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,400
this experience of reality together

2084
01:20:20,990 --> 01:20:19,440
we're all you know kind of on the same

2085
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:21,000
playing field what is the playing field

2086
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:23,040
you know where where is it that which we

2087
01:20:27,050 --> 01:20:24,600
all derive

2088
01:20:29,149 --> 01:20:27,060
um how is it that we all can can relate

2089
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:29,159
and connect you know these are the

2090
01:20:33,229 --> 01:20:30,719
bigger questions that are more important

2091
01:20:35,510 --> 01:20:33,239
to me than necessarily the um

2092
01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:35,520
you know the kinds of uh you know

2093
01:20:40,130 --> 01:20:37,860
headline Grabbers of you know there's a

2094
01:20:42,590 --> 01:20:40,140
saucerer this is what it does or all of

2095
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,600
those things are certainly important but

2096
01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:44,400
um you know for me I'm more concerned

2097
01:20:47,870 --> 01:20:46,140
with the with the bigger picture so yeah

2098
01:20:49,729 --> 01:20:47,880
I don't know I don't know if uh if that

2099
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:49,739
addresses your question but I think uh

2100
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,600
you know my belief is that we're all

2101
01:20:56,270 --> 01:20:53,520
connected yeah I think you think there's

2102
01:20:58,850 --> 01:20:56,280
one source Deb is the the god source

2103
01:21:01,850 --> 01:20:58,860
that you saw uh I don't know if that was

2104
01:21:03,830 --> 01:21:01,860
in the cave or outside the cave is that

2105
01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:03,840
do you think that's the source do you

2106
01:21:09,470 --> 01:21:05,880
think that Source created both the

2107
01:21:11,930 --> 01:21:09,480
phenomenon us uh Consciousness as a

2108
01:21:14,990 --> 01:21:11,940
construct well I guess I think of it in

2109
01:21:17,930 --> 01:21:15,000
an almost scientific way I think that

2110
01:21:19,610 --> 01:21:17,940
we're on the outskirts of understanding

2111
01:21:23,410 --> 01:21:19,620
some of the

2112
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:23,420
science that's behind all of this

2113
01:21:28,010 --> 01:21:26,159
including I I've said before I think

2114
01:21:30,050 --> 01:21:28,020
there's science to Consciousness I think

2115
01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:30,060
there's some understanding of quantum

2116
01:21:34,910 --> 01:21:32,640
physics that we need to latch onto to

2117
01:21:36,590 --> 01:21:34,920
understand this a little better

2118
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,600
um a lot of people are seeing

2119
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:38,159
similarities

2120
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:40,920
between all these entities that interact

2121
01:21:49,729 --> 01:21:44,640
with humanity and actually some people

2122
01:21:51,610 --> 01:21:49,739
have claims that they share our DNA so I

2123
01:21:56,630 --> 01:21:51,620
have to wonder

2124
01:21:59,870 --> 01:21:56,640
if there's some driving force right a

2125
01:22:03,169 --> 01:21:59,880
source that has just kind of been

2126
01:22:06,050 --> 01:22:03,179
experimenting Across the Universe

2127
01:22:07,790 --> 01:22:06,060
and and the everything is connected

2128
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:07,800
because of that and I think of what

2129
01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:09,480
Grant Cameron said about like God was

2130
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,900
maybe bored you know God was like a

2131
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:15,600
Consciousness that was bored and created

2132
01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:17,280
all these things

2133
01:22:22,070 --> 01:22:19,380
um to reach out and maybe some of them

2134
01:22:24,350 --> 01:22:22,080
aren't done cooking in the oven so they

2135
01:22:25,669 --> 01:22:24,360
don't have quite as much physicality or

2136
01:22:27,770 --> 01:22:25,679
something but

2137
01:22:28,910 --> 01:22:27,780
you know I think there's a potential

2138
01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:28,920
that uh

2139
01:22:32,689 --> 01:22:31,020
there's a system

2140
01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:32,699
of

2141
01:22:37,490 --> 01:22:35,400
things across the universe connecting

2142
01:22:39,890 --> 01:22:37,500
all of it

2143
01:22:43,370 --> 01:22:39,900
can at least restore frankenmaya's hair

2144
01:22:45,950 --> 01:22:43,380
I mean is that too much to ask you know

2145
01:22:48,130 --> 01:22:45,960
if you ask the right person they might

2146
01:22:50,990 --> 01:22:48,140
say if you meditate enough

2147
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:51,000
and maybe it could happen yeah I'm going

2148
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:52,800
to talk to your partner Priscilla maybe

2149
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,719
in past lives you had such great hair

2150
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:56,159
you were like you know we just want to

2151
01:22:59,870 --> 01:22:57,840
experience what it's like not to have it

2152
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,880
for once I look like John Travolta in

2153
01:23:02,410 --> 01:23:01,440
Saturday Night Fever

2154
01:23:05,689 --> 01:23:02,420
um

2155
01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:05,699
Frank what what's the source of all this

2156
01:23:10,010 --> 01:23:08,159
uh Frank we're going to go to to close

2157
01:23:12,050 --> 01:23:10,020
it out we're going to go to uh Frank k

2158
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,060
then Frank C

2159
01:23:16,430 --> 01:23:14,159
what what's up what's the source of all

2160
01:23:17,689 --> 01:23:16,440
this in your estimation have you thought

2161
01:23:19,669 --> 01:23:17,699
about that

2162
01:23:22,490 --> 01:23:19,679
it's a heavy question mom really is

2163
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,500
heavy it is like your music

2164
01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:24,480
it's heavy

2165
01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:27,000
um yeah yeah I mean I think what what I

2166
01:23:30,770 --> 01:23:28,860
do tend to focus on as much as I find

2167
01:23:32,030 --> 01:23:30,780
that that side of things absolutely

2168
01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:32,040
fascinating

2169
01:23:36,530 --> 01:23:34,380
I do kind of tend to focus on things

2170
01:23:38,149 --> 01:23:36,540
that like get into the bottom of the

2171
01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:38,159
Mysteries that we can actually perceive

2172
01:23:41,870 --> 01:23:40,380
in whatever realm of reality we can

2173
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:41,880
perceive

2174
01:23:46,189 --> 01:23:43,199
um which I think is probably the main

2175
01:23:47,930 --> 01:23:46,199
focus of of what I tend to look at

2176
01:23:50,209 --> 01:23:47,940
um but I think we've spoken about this

2177
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,219
before when I've been on you know on cab

2178
01:23:53,630 --> 01:23:52,320
before and things and we've spoken about

2179
01:23:57,370 --> 01:23:53,640
it privately

2180
01:24:00,350 --> 01:23:57,380
I'd tend to like the the the kind of

2181
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:00,360
super Spectrum kind of way of looking at

2182
01:24:05,689 --> 01:24:02,820
things where you know perhaps that's

2183
01:24:07,250 --> 01:24:05,699
linked to non-local Consciousness and

2184
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,260
the fact that the actual Consciousness

2185
01:24:12,470 --> 01:24:09,360
that we kind of inhabit on a day-to-day

2186
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:12,480
basis is you know a small portion of

2187
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:14,520
what's actually there a wider reality

2188
01:24:20,450 --> 01:24:18,239
and you know it could well be that you

2189
01:24:21,770 --> 01:24:20,460
know whatever the phenomenon is or the

2190
01:24:24,350 --> 01:24:21,780
phenomena are

2191
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:24,360
you know actually inhabits some of the

2192
01:24:31,010 --> 01:24:27,060
parts of reality that we can't perceive

2193
01:24:33,169 --> 01:24:31,020
and perhaps it presents itself to us in

2194
01:24:35,630 --> 01:24:33,179
whatever form that thinks we can relate

2195
01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:35,640
to and it does that and that that sort

2196
01:24:39,229 --> 01:24:36,480
of would you know things like

2197
01:24:42,169 --> 01:24:39,239
shape-shifting UFOs you know why you

2198
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:42,179
know entities appear in humanoid form it

2199
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:43,679
would kind of go some way to explaining

2200
01:24:47,689 --> 01:24:46,560
those kinds of things you know a a kind

2201
01:24:50,450 --> 01:24:47,699
of a

2202
01:24:52,729 --> 01:24:50,460
an entity or an intelligence that sort

2203
01:24:54,410 --> 01:24:52,739
of inhabits the parts of reality that we

2204
01:24:56,630 --> 01:24:54,420
can't perceive and if it wants to

2205
01:25:00,169 --> 01:24:56,640
interact with us it has to come down to

2206
01:25:02,630 --> 01:25:00,179
our level to a certain extent

2207
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,640
I love it man that's a great way that

2208
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:04,080
that's our connection

2209
01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:06,060
Frank C

2210
01:25:09,890 --> 01:25:07,980
take us home

2211
01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:09,900
they are second everything that um that

2212
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:10,920
Frank said

2213
01:25:14,810 --> 01:25:13,140
um more and more you know I initially

2214
01:25:16,970 --> 01:25:14,820
started when I came when I came back to

2215
01:25:18,890 --> 01:25:16,980
this of 2016 I was thinking very much in

2216
01:25:21,410 --> 01:25:18,900
terms of like nuts and bolts technology

2217
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:21,420
craft flying around but you know then I

2218
01:25:24,050 --> 01:25:22,560
started thinking back to my childhood

2219
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:24,060
and things like you know Rip Van wrinkle

2220
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:25,199
which is basically like you know that's

2221
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:26,760
like an abduction story isn't it you

2222
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:28,860
know bloke gets taken away and you know

2223
01:25:31,729 --> 01:25:30,480
he meets some kind of like strange folk

2224
01:25:32,930 --> 01:25:31,739
and then he wakes up and suddenly it's

2225
01:25:34,430 --> 01:25:32,940
years later well that's like kind of

2226
01:25:37,010 --> 01:25:34,440
missing time isn't it

2227
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:37,020
um and if you look back to

2228
01:25:40,189 --> 01:25:38,460
I've talked to somebody about this about

2229
01:25:41,930 --> 01:25:40,199
uh Iran

2230
01:25:43,910 --> 01:25:41,940
um you know battles between Alexander

2231
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:43,920
the Great and you know the Persians and

2232
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,800
Darius of Persia apparently they were

2233
01:25:49,550 --> 01:25:48,000
you know what they called at that time

2234
01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:49,560
you know that burning or bro you know

2235
01:25:52,970 --> 01:25:50,820
bright burning Shields that were

2236
01:25:53,630 --> 01:25:52,980
pressing above the battlefield

2237
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:53,640
um

2238
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,620
you know I'm starting to think more and

2239
01:25:58,910 --> 01:25:56,880
more that these are things that have

2240
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,920
been with us for a long long time and

2241
01:26:01,550 --> 01:26:00,480
maybe are not from anywhere else but

2242
01:26:04,550 --> 01:26:01,560
actually

2243
01:26:06,290 --> 01:26:04,560
either part of our reality have always

2244
01:26:07,790 --> 01:26:06,300
been here with us on Earth or are

2245
01:26:09,229 --> 01:26:07,800
something that slips in and out of our

2246
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:09,239
reality they're in like a parallel

2247
01:26:12,410 --> 01:26:10,800
reality

2248
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,420
um and I don't know if it's like apparel

2249
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,639
reality is in like I don't know

2250
01:26:18,110 --> 01:26:16,320
they're coming from somewhere else and

2251
01:26:20,330 --> 01:26:18,120
slipping into our reality or if they're

2252
01:26:21,770 --> 01:26:20,340
existing side by side with us but we

2253
01:26:22,850 --> 01:26:21,780
just can't see them

2254
01:26:24,410 --> 01:26:22,860
um but

2255
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:24,420
and then it also goes into the whole

2256
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:25,260
thing you know about like you know

2257
01:26:29,090 --> 01:26:27,600
ghosts and phantas Phantoms and

2258
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:29,100
poltergeists all that kind of stuff I

2259
01:26:33,649 --> 01:26:30,780
mean is that part of it I just don't

2260
01:26:35,750 --> 01:26:33,659
know I just don't know but uh I'm more

2261
01:26:37,310 --> 01:26:35,760
and more leaning towards the fact that

2262
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:37,320
it's something that's all around us all

2263
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:39,480
the time some kind of like invisible

2264
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,520
fabric that sometimes we can touch

2265
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,679
sometimes we can penetrate but they seem

2266
01:26:48,350 --> 01:26:45,360
to be able to do with impunity when they

2267
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:48,360
want to whoever they are it also seems

2268
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:50,880
interesting that once people have an

2269
01:26:55,129 --> 01:26:52,320
experience and then have multiple

2270
01:26:56,990 --> 01:26:55,139
experiences and others don't you know I

2271
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,000
mean I don't consider myself an

2272
01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:59,280
experiencer although I had a brief

2273
01:27:03,590 --> 01:27:01,800
sighting I don't know that that uh the

2274
01:27:05,870 --> 01:27:03,600
craft that I saw when I was younger knew

2275
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:05,880
that I was there or because it wasn't

2276
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:08,280
over the top of me and Nathan hasn't had

2277
01:27:14,149 --> 01:27:11,580
one I'm wondering if if if it you know

2278
01:27:17,149 --> 01:27:14,159
because uh some of the the people that

2279
01:27:20,510 --> 01:27:17,159
are involved with looking at Cryptids

2280
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,520
and and with the UFOs seem to have and

2281
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:23,040
we ghosts in fact seem to have multiple

2282
01:27:28,669 --> 01:27:25,980
experiences I'm I wonder if I know Deb

2283
01:27:30,290 --> 01:27:28,679
probably has thoughts about that but

2284
01:27:32,930 --> 01:27:30,300
um you know we gotta have we gotta have

2285
01:27:34,610 --> 01:27:32,940
another Deb did you want to say did you

2286
01:27:36,830 --> 01:27:34,620
want to weigh in on that man I do I have

2287
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:36,840
so many thoughts on this so I don't have

2288
01:27:41,330 --> 01:27:39,420
time to go into all of them but I do

2289
01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:41,340
think you know we're really like I said

2290
01:27:45,790 --> 01:27:43,500
getting closer to understanding some of

2291
01:27:49,010 --> 01:27:45,800
this when we look at all the information

2292
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:49,020
and we look for the patterns people will

2293
01:27:53,570 --> 01:27:50,880
see the same thing there's some kind of

2294
01:27:55,070 --> 01:27:53,580
paranormal Network there's some kind of

2295
01:27:58,250 --> 01:27:55,080
what I call paranormal internet

2296
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:58,260
sometimes we are now plugging in some

2297
01:28:02,090 --> 01:28:00,000
people are better at plugging in some

2298
01:28:04,550 --> 01:28:02,100
people are better batteries but Gary

2299
01:28:07,010 --> 01:28:04,560
Nolan's work the work of some other

2300
01:28:09,470 --> 01:28:07,020
people coming forward and the work like

2301
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:09,480
what you know philosophers do to inspire

2302
01:28:14,209 --> 01:28:11,760
science all of that's going to come to

2303
01:28:16,850 --> 01:28:14,219
this at some point

2304
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:16,860
yeah that that seems clear even if we

2305
01:28:21,770 --> 01:28:19,679
don't have uh even if we don't have the

2306
01:28:24,890 --> 01:28:21,780
immediacy that we want from the

2307
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:24,900
disclosure aspect of it I do agree with

2308
01:28:30,770 --> 01:28:28,080
you that we're becoming more sentient

2309
01:28:33,770 --> 01:28:30,780
on what's happening around us as a

2310
01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:33,780
result of of conversations like this and

2311
01:28:38,090 --> 01:28:36,179
with with one another and I think that's

2312
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:38,100
kind of where

2313
01:28:42,290 --> 01:28:40,320
um UFO Twitter should be going is to

2314
01:28:44,870 --> 01:28:42,300
just kind of kick around ideas because

2315
01:28:47,450 --> 01:28:44,880
then things occur to you that you hadn't

2316
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:47,460
because I and Nathan tell you I mean Deb

2317
01:28:52,910 --> 01:28:50,040
probably tell you too I could not see

2318
01:28:55,430 --> 01:28:52,920
the the connection between UFOs and

2319
01:28:56,930 --> 01:28:55,440
ghosts and now I see it

2320
01:28:59,209 --> 01:28:56,940
um I didn't know there was such a thing

2321
01:29:01,870 --> 01:28:59,219
as dog man I thought that was like a

2322
01:29:04,970 --> 01:29:01,880
fairy tale and now I know that it isn't

2323
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,980
and some of these other uh Cryptids so

2324
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:06,480
it there's a lot of things out there

2325
01:29:13,550 --> 01:29:10,800
that uh come into our reality uh based

2326
01:29:15,770 --> 01:29:13,560
upon what factors I don't know

2327
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:15,780
um and some people have have them

2328
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:18,000
recurring and some don't but Deb how

2329
01:29:19,250 --> 01:29:18,719
about

2330
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:19,260
um

2331
01:29:24,290 --> 01:29:21,360
we say our goodbyes and thank our

2332
01:29:27,169 --> 01:29:24,300
amazing guests the two Franks

2333
01:29:29,570 --> 01:29:27,179
thank you so much Frank and Frank

2334
01:29:31,729 --> 01:29:29,580
we appreciate your wisdom and the

2335
01:29:33,590 --> 01:29:31,739
sharing of knowledge of course please

2336
01:29:36,110 --> 01:29:33,600
continue to do all the wonderful things

2337
01:29:39,169 --> 01:29:36,120
that you do and we will speak to you

2338
01:29:42,830 --> 01:29:40,490
um guys thanks very much for having me

2339
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:42,840
on and you know all the same sentiments

2340
01:29:46,669 --> 01:29:44,580
to you guys it's been a real pleasure to

2341
01:29:49,669 --> 01:29:46,679
be on and really nice as well to have my

2342
01:29:52,250 --> 01:29:49,679
mate Frank on as well thank you

2343
01:29:54,110 --> 01:29:52,260
yeah thanks very much guys I love you

2344
01:29:55,729 --> 01:29:54,120
guys it's always great to chat I could

2345
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:55,739
probably chat all night but you know

2346
01:29:59,890 --> 01:29:57,960
I've got to go to bed mate I gotta get

2347
01:30:02,689 --> 01:29:59,900
to bed mate

2348
01:30:04,669 --> 01:30:02,699
Nathan yeah just uh echoing what Deb

2349
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:04,679
says thank you both so much and uh we

2350
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:05,760
look forward to continuing the

2351
01:30:10,430 --> 01:30:07,679
conversation and how you lead the

2352
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,440
conversation in your own spaces uh is uh

2353
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:12,960
is very inspiring as well and uh here's

2354
01:30:19,129 --> 01:30:16,560
to the rest of this year and into 2023.

2355
01:30:21,410 --> 01:30:19,139
yeah and we'll be uh I think I'm seeing

2356
01:30:22,970 --> 01:30:21,420
another somebody on the left I'm seeing

2357
01:30:25,129 --> 01:30:22,980
another mystery guess for the British

2358
01:30:27,290 --> 01:30:25,139
Invasion which uh we've got to schedule

2359
01:30:30,590 --> 01:30:27,300
that episode but I I'm thinking that

2360
01:30:32,270 --> 01:30:30,600
Frank Milburn coming in throwing a hand

2361
01:30:33,229 --> 01:30:32,280
grenade into that room and then taking

2362
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:33,239
off

2363
01:30:38,090 --> 01:30:35,280
um will be really good

2364
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:38,100
um frag everybody

2365
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:41,460
all right uh on behalf of of Deb and

2366
01:30:45,890 --> 01:30:43,920
Nathan uh I want to thank our guests

2367
01:30:49,370 --> 01:30:45,900
Frank and Frank you guys are amazing and

2368
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:49,380
you're so cool and um moreover

2369
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,880
um not only just having these

2370
01:30:56,270 --> 01:30:53,520
discussions but I think the way that we

2371
01:30:58,450 --> 01:30:56,280
feel is we just have these sort of new

2372
01:31:01,550 --> 01:30:58,460
friends that have become like our family

2373
01:31:04,370 --> 01:31:01,560
and I think that's at least half of this

2374
01:31:07,310 --> 01:31:04,380
of why I'm here at least half

2375
01:31:08,209 --> 01:31:07,320
because the knowledge is great but in a

2376
01:31:10,610 --> 01:31:08,219
vacuum

2377
01:31:13,070 --> 01:31:10,620
you know it's just it's just knowledge

2378
01:31:14,450 --> 01:31:13,080
unless you're discussing and forming

2379
01:31:16,550 --> 01:31:14,460
these bonds with people that you can

2380
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:16,560
call on the phone and speak with about

2381
01:31:21,229 --> 01:31:18,120
it when something comes up or run

2382
01:31:23,870 --> 01:31:21,239
something by somebody that's my goal on

2383
01:31:25,790 --> 01:31:23,880
um on UFO Twitter and and to have this

2384
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:25,800
sort of whole new family that I got to

2385
01:31:29,450 --> 01:31:27,900
interact with the UK I may see you guys

2386
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:29,460
again in January the way it's looking

2387
01:31:34,189 --> 01:31:31,199
right now

2388
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,199
um and I thank you on behalf of uh of

2389
01:31:39,830 --> 01:31:36,480
calling all beings uh this is DJ saying

2390
01:31:41,450 --> 01:31:39,840
peace out one love thank you Jules we'll

2391
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:41,460
see you down the road and as always

2392
01:31:45,050 --> 01:31:43,440
we're wondering what's up around the

2393
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:45,060
bend